1515/66 Help

[Bassist30]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

This is my fEARful 1515/66/1.


LDS is not a an authorized greenboy/fEARful builder.

That said the hype about this cab is true. Mine came in at a tad over 100 pounds but I wanted a few extras. It easily blows away my old 810. It goes lower, and is more even through the mids than any other cab I have played. If you do not plan on tuning below drop A then I would recommend you go with the fEARless 215. Here are a few examples of how they can be dressed up.





The 215's will have similar performance, but have a slightly different voicing and dont have quite the low end extension. Still will kick an 810 to the curb in terms of volume, and they have been weighing in around 75 pounds.

Want to go lighter than that? greenboy designed a 215 using full range speakers called the dually. This one is 39 pounds.

I am glad I came into this thread late.
These cabinets look Pretty pretty pretty. Dam did I say they look pretty.

[dukeorock]

The F215 is a 'little' heavier but a lot more cab, really in terms of deep lows, high SPL, and nice pronounced mids

I just ordered a very nice large digital scale, so weights will be as accurate as possible

[murphy]

Thanks guys
So ::::BASSIST:::: suggesting Italian Poplar sounds like a great choice

[RNV]

I never go to a gig without condoms and this.




:::BASSIST:::: I am # 101! \m/

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by RNV

I never go to a gig without condoms and this.

.....

So what is the cab for?

[::::BASSIST::::]

Originally Posted by RNV

I never go to a gig without condoms and this.




:::BASSIST:::: I am # 101! \m/

You rule.

[::::BASSIST::::]

Originally Posted by murphy

Thanks guys
So ::::BASSIST:::: suggesting Italian Poplar sounds like a great choice

A couple of things to think about if you are seriously considering IP:

1. not all ABs will use it or have access to it.
2. it is a very soft wood, easily dentable with a thumbnail. However, I found that a few coats of duratex really mitigates that issue. If tour and/or your gear gets handled roughly you might consider a harder wood. That said, I have had my cab for about 8 months now and I have zero complaints and would do it again in a heartbeat. The weight savings are worth it.
3. Go for the extra "optional" bracing. I went overkill on bracing but now my cab is rock solid. It may have an added an extra pound of wood, but well worth it IMO.

Good luck with it.

BTW, there is a great AB in Ottawa, who goes by the name Dekker. You may want to get in touch with him and see if you can arrange a time to test some cabs to see if these designs are right for you.

[Foz]

Ok...so looks like F215 would be better for me, but still not too happy about that much weight compared to the Dually...

If the old school tone is the end of your road then the Dually or some other well optimized 2x15 using modern lightweight drivers sounds like a perfect solution. But don't walk away from a 66 or f215 because of the extra +/- 10 lbs. without giving them a listen - these cabs are not like classic 8x10 fridges - they are a breeze at load in/out. Arrange a meet up and move one around after you play through it - I think you'll be pleasantly surprised [twice].

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If the 15 only approach is your choice and you really need to cut the weight to as low as possible maybe consider the 1x15 Bassic? I personally think there is something special about a dual woofer box like the Dually but these modern drivers can get a lot done even solo. Here's a pic from Mark / dukeorock's forum of the two for comparison.



http://bnaaudio.freeforums.net/index...splay&thread=4

[dukeorock]

Ah yes...Tom Bramhalls cabs...he's been pretty happy, judging from reports

[RNV]

You know what I like to do? I like to go to car dealerships and find people who are looking for a SUV/Crossover. They are the type of people who know what they are looking for in a sense. They want to be able to carry people and still have a fair amount of storage in the back of the vehicle. However, they are very positive that they do not want a minivan, because they've had them before and want something less dated. Once I find these threads, I mean people, I tell them how dumb they are for wanting what they want and how a minivan is in fact what they need. Then when the salesman tells me to mind my own business, I call his manager and tell the manager that the salesman called me bad names and touched my butt in an inappropriate way.


The moral of this story? When someone starts a thread asking about a speaker configuration that is rarely found outside the GB designed cabs, expect of fEARful/less people c to come out to offer our opinions. Why is it that we always come out to do so? Because not many people have any experience with these cabs, so it seems like the same people that are kicking the bees' nest. Jimmy is in every thread that has the word Ampeg in it and he defends them with a great amount passion. We all love Jimmy, but why can't we speak highly of a product we believe in like he does about his beloved Ampeg? If someone were to ask about "What 410 cab is best for my hi-fi modern tone needs?" I highly doubt that we (as a group) would barge into the thread and start pushing fEARfuls. I would suggest a Carvin BRX410. I loved that cab, and for the money it was an amazing piece of gear.

[chadds]

Originally Posted by RNV

You know what I like to do? I like to go to car dealerships and find people who are looking for a SUV/Crossover. They are the type of people who know what they are looking for in a sense. They want to be able to carry people and still have a fair amount of storage in the back of the vehicle. However, they are very positive that they do not want a minivan, because they've had them before and want something less dated. Once I find these threads, I mean people, I tell them how dumb they are for wanting what they want and how a minivan is in fact what they need. Then when the salesman tells me to mind my own business, I call his manager and tell the manager that the salesman called me bad names and touched my butt in an inappropriate way.

The moral of this story? When someone starts a thread asking about a speaker configuration that is rarely found outside the GB designed cabs, expect of fEARful/less people c to come out to offer our opinions. Why is it that we always come out to do so? Because not many people have any experience with these cabs, so it seems like the same people that are kicking the bees' nest. Jimmy is in every thread that has the word Ampeg in it and he defends them with a great amount passion. We all love Jimmy, but why can't we speak highly of a product we believe in like he does about his beloved Ampeg? If someone were to ask about "What 410 cab is best for my hi-fi modern tone needs?" I highly doubt that we (as a group) would barge into the thread and start pushing fEARfuls. I would suggest a Carvin BRX410. I loved that cab, and for the money it was an amazing piece of gear.

How can a car salesman touch your butt in an appropriate way?

[Zoomie]

Wow, I am still shocked that Greenboy design cabinets are still as polarizing as the Fender vs the world posts. I'll try and pitch in here a bit to help the OP without sounding the rabid zealot that I am.







If you're concerned about weight, I would really consider a Dually. At a hair over 60 pounds, I have no problem carrying it up and down stairs and I'm old and soft with an undying love for bacon. This one is loaded with Faitals.

We play covers and few originals. I am an 80% finger player, 15% pick (as songs dictate), and 5% slap. Genres are country, country rock, blues, classic rock, hard rock, southern rock, alternative, light punk, classic R & B, and a bit of funk.

WHAT IT DOES WELL

The cab produces anything from chest crushing thump to and including grind/edge (think vintage GK without being colored). On the thump side of things, the sound is warm, buttery, and never ever farty. If your sound starts to break up, it's because YOU dialed in the break up. Further, it only breaks to the extent that you dial it in. I say this only because I have fought with 810's at time to get exactly what I was looking for in terms of break. And yes, I understand that has more to do with heads than cabs. Bottom line, it eats everything you throw it at.

With either the Hartke Kilo or the Genz Streamliner, the cab is louder than I have the peaches to turn the volume.

WHAT IT WONT DO WELL

I will take this conversation a step further and tell you where the Dually loses it's advantage forcing serious consideration to a full range ie 1515/66, F215etc. While I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, I think that most of the authorized Greenboy cab builders would agree.

UPRIGHT - If you have any intention of playing with an upright, you need to go full-range. There are lot's of subtle harmonic things going on with uprights. The Dually just wont capture them as well. And no, I am not buying that the same thing applies to electrics.

If you constantly are fiddling with the juicer knob to TURN IT UP, go FR. Some players do like to tweak their EQ via the juicer.

BLISTERING SLAP

If you play constant blistering, and I mean blistering slap, I do believe that the 15s lose ground to 10's. If you just have a couple of quick passages throughout a song, it's not an issue. I still feel like I get smacked in the face every time I move from finger style on my DJ5 and hook the G with my forefinger to give it a yank.

If you're going with a greenboy design (or even Fearful), I would use an authorized builder. Of the three that I know or know of, Mark at BNA, Don at BAD, and JHawk out west, all stick 100% to Greenboy's original designs and do not move one iota from the building specs. If you don't belive me, call any of them and tell them that you'll pay handsome if they're willing to move out of spec or to alter the design. You' get the polite refusal AND the finger. While Greenboy may not be the smartest person on this earth, I don't know anyone that is smart enough to successfully improve upon his designs, with the exception of Greenboy himself.

Now in all fairness to LDS, I got to play through an LDS cab briefly. As I recall, it was a fantastic cab. It just didn't push me to hand him a blank check like I did with BNA.

So, if you want to go with LDS, by all means do so BUT have LDS build you their interpretation of a 15 cab. If you want to go with GB/Fearful, go with an authorized builder.

No matter what you decide, I can't wait to see the pics !

[murphy]

Lots of great information here.Thanks guys

I believe this is Dekker
https://sites.google.com/a/shobass.com/www/

[barryaudio]

Originally Posted by murphy

Lots of great information here.Thanks guys

I believe this is Dekker
https://sites.google.com/a/shobass.com/www/

Yes, and he builds great cabs. Highly recommended for our neighbors to the north

[canadian*eh]

Yes that is dekker he built my two cabs a 15/6/1 and 1515/66/1 avd could not be happier with his work. Too notch guy to deal with. Love my fEARful cabs ~Elliot

[CL400Peavey]

Here is a link to all of the Authorized greenboy builders.

http://greenboy.us/

There is also a ton of information if you dig around a bit.

[iualum]

Originally Posted by Zoomie

Wow, I am still shocked that Greenboy design cabinets are still as polarizing as the Fender vs the world posts. I'll try and pitch in here a bit to help the OP without sounding the rabid zealot that I am.







If you're concerned about weight, I would really consider a Dually. At a hair over 60 pounds, I have no problem carrying it up and down stairs and I'm old and soft with an undying love for bacon. This one is loaded with Faitals.

We play covers and few originals. I am an 80% finger player, 15% pick (as songs dictate), and 5% slap. Genres are country, country rock, blues, classic rock, hard rock, southern rock, alternative, light punk, classic R & B, and a bit of funk.

WHAT IT DOES WELL

The cab produces anything from chest crushing thump to and including grind/edge (think vintage GK without being colored). On the thump side of things, the sound is warm, buttery, and never ever farty. If your sound starts to break up, it's because YOU dialed in the break up. Further, it only breaks to the extent that you dial it in. I say this only because I have fought with 810's at time to get exactly what I was looking for in terms of break. And yes, I understand that has more to do with heads than cabs. Bottom line, it eats everything you throw it at.

With either the Hartke Kilo or the Genz Streamliner, the cab is louder than I have the peaches to turn the volume.

WHAT IT WONT DO WELL

I will take this conversation a step further and tell you where the Dually loses it's advantage forcing serious consideration to a full range ie 1515/66, F215etc. While I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, I think that most of the authorized Greenboy cab builders would agree.

UPRIGHT - If you have any intention of playing with an upright, you need to go full-range. There are lot's of subtle harmonic things going on with uprights. The Dually just wont capture them as well. And no, I am not buying that the same thing applies to electrics.

If you constantly are fiddling with the juicer knob to TURN IT UP, go FR. Some players do like to tweak their EQ via the juicer.

BLISTERING SLAP

If you play constant blistering, and I mean blistering slap, I do believe that the 15s lose ground to 10's. If you just have a couple of quick passages throughout a song, it's not an issue. I still feel like I get smacked in the face every time I move from finger style on my DJ5 and hook the G with my forefinger to give it a yank.

If you're going with a greenboy design (or even Fearful), I would use an authorized builder. Of the three that I know or know of, Mark at BNA, Don at BAD, and JHawk out west, all stick 100% to Greenboy's original designs and do not move one iota from the building specs. If you don't belive me, call any of them and tell them that you'll pay handsome if they're willing to move out of spec or to alter the design. You' get the polite refusal AND the finger. While Greenboy may not be the smartest person on this earth, I don't know anyone that is smart enough to successfully improve upon his designs, with the exception of Greenboy himself.

Now in all fairness to LDS, I got to play through an LDS cab briefly. As I recall, it was a fantastic cab. It just didn't push me to hand him a blank check like I did with BNA.

So, if you want to go with LDS, by all means do so BUT have LDS build you their interpretation of a 15 cab. If you want to go with GB/Fearful, go with an authorized builder.

No matter what you decide, I can't wait to see the pics !

Your Dually looks really sweet. Thought strongly about one, but ended up going LDS 215 w/3015s & a Selenium HF/horn.

The HoBo is great, too (love the tort). Have 2 myself, a trans burst w/Barts & a CAR w/Darkstars. Going to have to look into PGs, though. Definitely.

[DaZombieWoof]

Yes, I'm the guy with a BNA Bassic and Dually. Yes, the Dually will get SVT Fridge loud only with a whole additional low end the fridge never did. Load in is insanely easy as it is real light. The single 15 cab actually does most of what I do as it sounds so good and is so efficient. When I need a dose of neuvo-retro excess, I pull out the Mesa 400 Plus and the Dually. Buildings honestly shake.
As I am drifting into doing EUB work these days, I may check out a F115, but for my bass guitar work those two cabs just sound like what I want to hear.

[murphy]

Zombie, I'd like to hear more about the music you play?

Dekker appears to not sell the faital drivers....only Emminence

[canadian*eh]

I am pretty sure you can order in whatever speaker options would go with the dually... He just doesn't have everything listed on his website is all. If you want to pm me and I can give you his phone number and to can call and talk with him! Like I said he is top notch and bent over backwards when it came to doing what I wanted done with my cabs!!! ~Elliot

Btw my cabs are the two cabs with black carpet and white baffles and grills on his website