2 PF 115's or 1 fEARful 15/6? - Page 2

KJung · #21 02-11-2013, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by VeganThump

I'm in the market for 15"s and I'm on the fence, help?

First, I would not drive your choice by driver size. Really doesn't matter. Also, as you seem to be doing from your later posts, try to figure out the tone you want, since neither of those two options cab be made to sound like the other.

I would personally avoid the Ampeg cabs (I have not been impressed by the performance of most of the Ampeg cabs I've played). IF you want the advantage of a lightweight, single cab that is voiced at least somewhat similarly to the warm, punchy, Ampeg 115's, and also benefits from super high quality drivers, I would HIGHLY recommend looking at the Baer ML212. It will wump like crazy, and sound like a very good 'bass cab' (punchy, warm, controlled, natural/organic up top, etc.).

It is a 4ohm cab, which increased your 'head options', and is about 65 pounds. Probably the best (IMO) single cab solution out there for those who want the benefits of expert cab design but still want the cab to sound familar and user friendly (i.e., easily get a tone that will sound familiar to you without a tone of EQ and hi passes and every other thing).

IMO and a LOT of IME on this one.

lelandcrooks · #22 02-11-2013, 06:35 AM

He'd be thrilled. We all like to demo our stuff. Just wish I was a little closer to a big chunk of humanity.

**CL400Peavey** · #23 02-11-2013, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by lelandcrooks

He'd be thrilled. We all like to demo our stuff. Just wish I was a little closer to a big chunk of humanity.

+1

As an example I give out my cell number this past weekend to someone local to try and set up a time for him to come jam through my cabs. Didnt work this weekend as he has a new baby, but most fEARful users will work with any one interested to let them try our cabs.

Leland since when did they get electricity out your way?

VeganThump · #24 02-11-2013, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

IF you want the advantage of a lightweight, single cab that is voiced at least somewhat similarly to the warm, punchy, Ampeg 115's, and also benefits from super high quality drivers, I would HIGHLY recommend looking at the Baer ML212. It will wump like crazy, and sound like a very good 'bass cab' (punchy, warm, controlled, natural/organic up top, etc.).

I shall check that out!

KJung · #25 02-11-2013, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by VeganThump

I shall check that out!

It is probably the closest you are going to get to what I call a traditional bass tone in an 'advanced spec cab'. Super quality, lightweight, cranks like crazy. I describe it as 'vintage meets modern'... 'vintage' meaning warm, punchy, not overextended into the deep bass, nice character in the top end', and 'modern' meaning a bit more top end extended than a one way cab without any sort of 'tweeter sizzle', light weight, and massive mechanical capability (meaning it can get very loud when wumping some real, useful low end). Very impressive design, and among the best production quality of any cab I've experienced (Bass Gear Magazine has a good review on-line, and the inside of that cab is the equivalent of a Rolls Royce).

If you do a search for 'Ken Jung' on Youtube, I reposted a few clips with various heads and basses with the ML112, the 'single 12 version'. If you have good headphones, the clips are very high quality, and should give you at least a data point (I am more of a 'clean tone pop player' than a grindy, aggressive rock player, but it is at least a data point). Roger uses a very nicely spec'd OEM 12 driver that behaves more like an 'uber spec'd bass driver' than a PA subwoofer type sound.

Edit: Just saw the downtuned stoner type of music you play. The decision you need to think about is if you want a bit more open sound, more true bass, but still a nice amount of midrange character and organic upper mid 'grind' from your cab... the Baer is fantastic for that. If, on the other hand, you are primarily interested in a HUGE, open low end with much more fundamental low end versus midrange character (think of playing out of a front of house PA system), then the fEARful builds (15/6 or 1212/6 for a bit more volume) would be very good, lightweight alternatives).

**CL400Peavey** · #26 02-11-2013, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by VeganThump

Can anyone speak on the Bassic 1x15 by greenboy? Someone said it before but my ideal situation would be a one cab solution as opposed to two, but I play in a loud, downtuned stoner rock kinda band so I'm worried about a single 1x15 not being loud enough or farting out. Also I'm trying to save money where I can.

Seriously go check out what popgadget has. Try his smallest cab first, you will be amazed at how loud it gets. Then try the bigger one.

Foz · #27 02-11-2013, 07:18 AM

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loud, downtuned stoner rock

Well.... a 66 would sort that out in a NY minute.

http://greenboy.us/cabs/view.php?mod...Rful%201515/66

or meebee one of these - I aint tried one but they get rave reviews.

http://greenboy.us/cabs/view.php?mod...ESS%20F215wide

VeganThump · #28 02-11-2013, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Foz

Well.... a 66 would sort that out in a NY minute.

http://greenboy.us/cabs/view.php?mod...Rful%201515/66

or meebee one of these - I aint tried one but they get rave reviews.

http://greenboy.us/cabs/view.php?mod...ESS%20F215wide

Agreed!!!! Haha

**CL400Peavey** · #29 02-11-2013, 08:24 AM

+1

More cab is more. My '66 is killer, but I will tell you what a pair of Alphalite 12/6's will get you a lot more sound than one might think. Probably my favorite fEARful (have/do own(ed) a '66, 15/6, and now 12/6/1).

dukeorock · #30 02-11-2013, 10:50 AM

A couple thoughts on Stoner rock.

The 3015 is very popular in those circles. We've been selling a fair amount of 3015 loaded Duallys and even did a Bassic15 for a fella who said it's covering his Stoner gigs just fine.

If you want serious lows that are still clear, I can't think of a cab that tops the fEARful stuff. Honestly, the 15/6 sounds like the way to go. You can down tune for days, it's still reasonably small and light...very impressive cab in the sound per pound category

pfschim · #31 02-11-2013, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

I would HIGHLY recommend looking at the Baer ML212. It will wump like crazy, and sound like a very good 'bass cab' (punchy, warm, controlled, natural/organic up top, etc.)

Ken, not to hijack the OP's thread, but how would you compare the ML212 to the Berg 212 offerings ... AE, HD, the new neo loaded one.

very curious about this as I am seeking a killer 2x12 to match up with both my PF500 and my Mesa Walkabout.

wcriley · #32 02-11-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dukeorock

...Honestly, the 15/6 sounds like the way to go. You can down tune for days...

It was designed by a guy who down tunes to Low F#.

rpsands · #33 02-11-2013, 11:26 AM

I play in a heavy alt-rock band with some bits of stoner/sludge, downtuned to C and A, using a '66.

I've gigged with a ton of similar bands and some more stoner-esque and when they have tried my cab, they've invariably loved it.

Nothing I have ever played or heard compares to a '66 for downtuned rock.

KJung · #34 02-11-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pfschim

Ken, not to hijack the OP's thread, but how would you compare the ML212 to the Berg 212 offerings ... AE, HD, the new neo loaded one.

very curious about this as I am seeking a killer 2x12 to match up with both my PF500 and my Mesa Walkabout.

I'll PM you, since the CN (as much as I love it) would most likely not be a good choice for the OP.

JimmyM · #35 02-11-2013, 02:12 PM

With all due respect to my pal Greenboy and those who make Fearfuls and similar cabs, what the heck is so bad about the PF115he? No mid driver? Yeah, mid drivers are cool, but the PF115he has a sound. Very similar to the old B-15 cabs but with a bigger dose of low end response. Plus the price is excellent.

Yeah, I know I'm an endorser...shut up

**Freddels** · #36 02-11-2013, 02:23 PM

The F215 blows them all out of the water.

**CL400Peavey** · #37 02-11-2013, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

With all due respect to my pal Greenboy and those who make Fearfuls and similar cabs, what the heck is so bad about the PF115he? No mid driver? Yeah, mid drivers are cool, but the PF115he has a sound. Very similar to the old B-15 cabs but with a bigger dose of low end response. Plus the price is excellent.

Yeah, I know I'm an endorser...shut up

Nothing is wrong with them. As many have pointed out, they are a completely different sound. You nailed their tonality, I get the feeling the OP is looking for something a little more modern.

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Originally Posted by Freddels

The F215 blows them all out of the water.

As it should. Much higher price point, but you get more capability.

atrapp · #38 02-11-2013, 02:54 PM

Be sure to contact Don at LowDownSound. He has been building custom cabs for a long while, he is a bass player and I don't believe you'll find anyone with better pricing.
He built my faital equipped 2 x 15 for damn near the cost of parts alone.

JimmyM · #39 02-11-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

Nothing is wrong with them. As many have pointed out, they are a completely different sound. You nailed their tonality, I get the feeling the OP is looking for something a little more modern.

Has a tweeter. Darn good one, too, if you like tweeters. I don't

but hey...

**CL400Peavey** · #40 02-11-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by atrapp

Be sure to contact Don at LowDownSound. He has been building custom cabs for a long while, he is a bass player and I don't believe you'll find anyone with better pricing.
He built my faital equipped 2 x 15 for damn near the cost of parts alone.

I don't go into LDS and Baer threads and offer up Greenboy cabs.... sayin'....