210 + 212 Or Eden + Bergantino???

[Bassmanbob]

My main rig is an Eden Metro combo with an Eden XLT-410 extension cab. Basically, the Eden Metro combo has an XLT-210, so I'm running the Eden amp that came with the Metro with 610 speakers. I really like the sound I'm getting with it, but I'm really tired of carrying around almost 200 lbs of bass rig.

I want to go with a small rig I'll use most of the time, and a larger rig when I'm doing out door/ big stage set ups.

My proposal is this:
Small rig: Genz Benz Shuttle Max 9.2 with a Bergantino 4 ohm 212 cab. I already purchased the Shuttle Max 9.2. I just need the Bergantino cab which I already know I love.

Large rig: Keep the Eden Metro for my home studio, but on big gigs add the Bergantino 212 to the Eden Metro combo. It would give me a 210 + 212 rig. I know the Metro can take a 4ohm cab with its 210 already attached.

Side note: I'd probably sell my Eden XLT-410 just so I don't have too much equipment sitting around.

I was wondering if anyone has had experience with a 210 + 212 rig? If anyone has more specific experience with an Eden/Bergantino combination, that would be great too.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

[Bassmanbob]

Of course option number three is, "Dude. You're crazy. You should do..."

[Chef]

1) I doubt they're voiced similarly, which makes a bad match.
2) I doubt they're sized the same, which will make a crummy stack job.

Get wheels for your 410, would be my advice. ymmv of course.

[nordyboy]

In answer to a question from the Berg thread, the Hd112 stack sounds fat and punchy with a wonderful high end, but does not have the volume or out right low end ability of the Baer Ml112 stack.
How much volume do you actually need? 2 ML112's with a 900 watt head is brutally loud with huge low end, even one of these little beasts is awesome on its own.

[Chef]

Truth.
Two ML112's and 900watts would be brutal.

[Bassmanbob]

Originally Posted by Chef

1) I doubt they're voiced similarly, which makes a bad match.
2) I doubt they're sized the same, which will make a crummy stack job.

Get wheels for your 410, would be my advice. ymmv of course.

Both Eden cabs have wheels. It's the lifting and size I can do without. As far as a stack job, they'd have to be side by side. The Bergantino 212 is a vertical cab, not horizontal. Even if I placed the Berg cab sideways, it still would be unstackable.

I'm more concerned for the big rig (Eden + Berg), if the two cabs would compliment each other or not. Bergantino had a cab a few years ago that had one 12 and two 10s; it was pretty popular. I realize that Eden and Bergantino are two different companies with two different styled cabs, but I figured I'd ask.

[Bassmanbob]

I"m not sure what you guys are talking about when you mention the ML112. I am looking to purchase the Bergantino HD212 cab. That's one cab with the two 12 inch speakers in it instead of two 112 cabs.

For most gigs, I know that the Genz Benz Shuttle Max 9.2 with the Bergantino HD212 cab will be enough. I play a lot of out door gigs (Florida), but all are with me going through the PA.

I was concerned about county fair like gigs, playing to 2,000-5,000 people (obviously through the PA too). I have those kinds of gigs 3 or 4 times a year. The "small rig" may be enough for that too from what I've heard of the Bergantino HD212 cab, so I could use feedback about that too.

[Chef]

http://www.baeramps.com/ml-112-bass-cabinet.html

They also make a 212 version.
Two of those would be ridiculous crazy SPL.

[nordyboy]

I was just suggesting another alternative that a lot of people are really loving.
The Hd212 as a stand alone cab is stunning but heavy, a single hd112 is limited as to what it can cover.

[RickenBoogie]

2 things that pop out- first, the 210/212 pairing is not likely to be well balanced, and second, putting them side-by-side will most certainly cause alot of trouble to your sound out away from the stage. Whatever solution you find, look for matched cabs, and vertical stacking.

[vince a]

I gig three times a week with that setup (212XLT and 210XST) . . . both cabs are 4 ohm, which gives me 750 watts at 2 ohms out of the amp. It can get very loud and it's an excellent sounding system, and both cabs are easy to manage . . . Note: the bass on the right is gone and has been replaced by a 5 string 2010 Lakland Joe Osborn.

[Chef]

Yeah. That's a different deal than adding a Berg 212...

[Bassmanbob]

Darn. Not the replies I wanted, but I guess they are the replies I needed. Additional replies are greatly welcome. Thanks all!

[MrLenny1]

Eden 2x12 would go good with the metro.

[Bassmanbob]

As a result of the replies I've received (and once again thanks for them), I'm probably going to keep the original rig I have (Eden Metro + XLT-410) as my big rig. I already have the Genz Benz Shuttle Max 9.2, and I'll add the Bergantino 4 ohm HD 212 cab to my 'collection' as my smaller rig.

That smaller rig will be so much easier to cart around with one of those Magna Carts I got at Home Depot and a bungie cord. The Berg 212 cab is still 77 lbs, but it is about 15- 20 lbs lighter than either the Metro or the XLT-410 cab. It would also be one smaller cab instead of two larger cabs.

I think I'm going to purchase the Bergantino HD212 today from Bass Central. They said they could have it drop shipped directely to me. Then I could actually try it with the Metro just for kicks. It probably won't be a good combo, but it won't kill me to try it. Then I can make decisions about whether or not to keep the XLT-410.

[pacosarae]

Two ML112's and 900watts would be brutal.

[Bassmanbob]

The purchase is on hold. I want to think about it first.