210 or 410 on top ??

[PATTY1]

i'm going to add a 210 to my rig and use the cross-over on my amp, should i use the 210 for my highs and 410 for my lows or vise versa ???

[MrDOS]

Since a 4X10 would typically have more low end, I'd say the 4X10 would be used for the lows. Try it out and see!

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by PATTY1

i'm going to add a 210 to my rig and use the cross-over on my amp, should i use the 210 for my highs and 410 for my lows or vise versa ???

Neither. A 210 and 410 using the same drivers will have the same response, all that differs is their power handling. There's no point in bi-amping them.

[RickenBoogie]

+1 biamping is tricky business, and having an amp with a crossover is only one element of a biamped rig. Full range bass cabs, as in the 2 cabs mentioned, are not suitable to biamping. Instead, you need a dedicated sub, (with massive power), and a mid driver/horn.

[Son of Bovril]

Agreed, you'll get better volume and response from running both of them full range IMO

[BassmanPaul]

I agree fully with the caveat that the 2x10 should have twice the impedance of the 4x10. This will allow all the tens to receive about the same power. E.G. an 8Ω 2x10 with a 4Ω 4x10. Your amp must be able to handle a 2Ω load.

Paul

[PATTY1]

ok but years ago i had 2 identical 410 ( 8 ohm ) cabinets hooked up to my amp, BI-AMPED and i never heard a sound better out of my amp since, unfortunately i had to sell one cab for financial reasons, so i'm still a little lost here?

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by PATTY1

ok but years ago i had 2 identical 410 ( 8 ohm ) cabinets hooked up to my amp, BI-AMPED and i never heard a sound better out of my amp since, unfortunately i had to sell one cab for financial reasons, so i'm still a little lost here?

Definition bi-amped:
The highs are sent to a cabinet optimized to produce highs only and lows are sent to a cabinet optimized to produce lows only. Sending highs and lows separately to two identical cabs serves no purpose.

[PATTY1]

yes thats what i did, with my SWR SM400, with the only difference being that i turned off the horn completely on the bottom cab.....the midrange notes and harmonics cut through way,way, better than when i used a single 410....not sure why?? thats the only reason i'm persuing a second cab

[heath_r_91]

turning off the horn in one cab does not make it bi amped.

[Whitbass]

with like cab designs/like purpose cabs; you are likely to cut frequencies the cab should be getting or visa-versa.....
bi-amping can be a good thing, but not too sure you will be doing yourself a favor with the 2x10/4x10; except that with a given range you will be cutting woofers...more or less.........

add a sub or horns if desired...but cutting in this case makes no sense.....
now if you were producing super lows being sent to these cabs, then cutting might make sense/...

[Whitbass]

Originally Posted by heath_r_91

turning off the horn in one cab does not make it bi amped.

yeah what he said.....you are simply cutting some highs.....after going through what is likely a simple high pass filter---x-over

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by PATTY1

yes thats what i did, with my SWR SM400, with the only difference being that i turned off the horn completely on the bottom cab.....

That's not optimization. An example would be a 1x18 bottom and a 2x8 top.

[heath_r_91]

Originally Posted by PATTY1

yes thats what i did, with my SWR SM400, with the only difference being that i turned off the horn completely on the bottom cab.....the midrange notes and harmonics cut through way,way, better than when i used a single 410....not sure why?? thats the only reason i'm persuing a second cab

What was probably happening here was this:

You had two tweeters going with 6 speakers. You were getting too much extreme high end for your taste, so by turning off the bottom cab's tweeter you got a smoother tone that was better for your taste.

That is all fine and dandy but it isn't bi-amping.