2x Berg IP112 Stacks?

[Andrew Jones]

Anybody own/running 2 Ip112 mini stacks? The older Non ER Model?

I've had one for a long time but because of the new ER model and the supply/demand of the older ones they go for good deals every once in a while.

So from a modular,,Big rig,,2 Med rigs ect,,,seems like a possibility.



Aj

[Joshua]

I've been running an IP112/EX112 stack for a couple years now and love it. I can't imagine what a pair of them would sound like!

[tombowlus]

I have not tried two IP112's together, but I have "daisy-chained" an IP310 & IP212 before (which was massive overkill, and I ended up turning one of them off after the first set!), and it is very easy to do. My guess is that two IP112's would be quite impressive.

[jokerjkny]

how loud can they get? and against what has anyone tried them?

[Andrew Jones]

I figure, loud. LOL 4/12's and 2000 watts..

I wonder about the low end frequency extension because of the extra.extras and how that gells.


Aj

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by jokerjkny

how loud can they get? and against what has anyone tried them?

A single IP112/EX112 stack is not quite as loud as a single IP212 (or IP310), and does not sound as "big," though the IP112/EX112 is a bit more focused. The IP112ER/EX112ER, on the other hand, should be very close in performance to the IP212. If you have not used an IP310 or IP212 live, they are quite amazing for their size. I did an outdoor gig for 3,000+ people with a single IP310, and the sound tech said I was barely in the PA, and the bass tone was the best he had ever heard.

[MG Bass]

Tom, what preamp were you using for that gig ?

[jokerjkny]

Originally Posted by tombowlus

A single IP112/EX112 stack is not quite as loud as a single IP212 (or IP310), and does not sound as "big," though the IP112/EX112 is a bit more focused. The IP112ER/EX112ER, on the other hand, should be very close in performance to the IP212. If you have not used an IP310 or IP212 live, they are quite amazing for their size. I did an outdoor gig for 3,000+ people with a single IP310, and the sound tech said I was barely in the PA, and the bass tone was the best he had ever heard.

nice,

would you say that ip112/ex112 is one of the biggest/loudest sounding 1x12 pairs you've used?

[chadds]

Biggest loudest pairing of two 1x12s? I would say so particularly with a four string and a lot of bass eq on your pre dialed back. While exemplary with a 5-string it is doesn't even breathe hard when not asked to do the low B. Outside, too!
Dialing the bass eq back is one of the first things Jim Bergantino asks you to do in the owners manual. Why? Because it has so much from the DSP no more is needed. IPs can sound bad when too much is coming from the pre. The IP112 + EX112 can sound so present and punchy (and loud) with no compromise in low end if you listen to Jim.

Tone is important because anything can be loud and sound bad. I find it amazing that it can sound so perfect and so loud.

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by MG Bass

Tom, what preamp were you using for that gig ?

I'm not sure which gig you mean, but for the one where I used the IP310/IP212 combo, I used my Aguilar DB680:



The IP322 (prototype) was there for my "keyboard" rig (Roland PK-5 MIDI pedals into a Korg Triton Rack).

For the gig with the single IP310, I used my Trace Elliot V-Type, with a Trace TVT9 preamp handling "rhythm guitar" duties (from my Akai Uni-Bass).



Actually, at this rig, I used my Raven Labs MDB-1 to blend my bass, "rhythm guitar" and "keyboard" signals, and I ran them all through the IP310.

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by jokerjkny

nice,

would you say that ip112/ex112 is one of the biggest/loudest sounding 1x12 pairs you've used?

Most definitely. With the right amp, I might be able to get two HT112ERs into the same general range, though. And I'd expect an IP112ER/EX112ER combo to bump it up a notch.

[jokerjkny]

Originally Posted by tombowlus

Most definitely. With the right amp, I might be able to get two HT112ERs into the same general range, though. And I'd expect an IP112ER/EX112ER combo to bump it up a notch.

SOLD

[BartmanPDX]

Two IP112s with the extension cabs would be a DEVASTATING modular rig of doom in volume and low end yet with clarity, IMO. Your guitards would hate you.

Even the "Tim Allen" part of me that loves power gets wide eyed at the mere idea of using two of them at once.

[Bassflute]

Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

Anybody own/running 2 Ip112 mini stacks? The older Non ER Model?

I've had one for a long time but because of the new ER model and the supply/demand of the older ones they go for good deals every once in a while.

So from a modular,,Big rig,,2 Med rigs ect,,,seems like a possibility.
Aj

for years was two IP112ER stacks, so I could run my effects stereo like I used to in my Eden 800 - 2xHT112 days. But I tried the IP112ER with the other HT112ER powered by a Markbass amp, and was getting a LOT of comb filtering, which I didn't get when I used other types amp/cabs on the second channel. So now I'm thinking an assymetrical stereo rig is the best set up, which will avoid a lot of comb filtering...I'm hoping for some kind of IP153/310 type rig in the middle, and use the HT112 and the IP112 out to each side for a kind of 3.1 rig.

MTD fretless with Lexicon reverb through that should sound pretty good, I think...

Wonder when Jim's coming out with a twin 18" - 5,000 watt neo-sub for a 7.1 bass rig...?

Cheers,
Cameron

[Andrew Jones]

For me it would be my SVP-CL= it's two out puts into the two inputs of the IP's either in two side to side stacks or a tower.

It would be for all big rig stuff,which is not often so having a dedicated big rig makes less sense than having two smaller things that I can use individually



Nice and simple....

My concerns are phase issues and excessive bass due to the extra low end of more speakers

I have active 4 strings that I run with the onboard on/but flat into the flattest setting on the ampeg pre that has telefunken tubes in it that I can run a pre eq to the board.....



Aj

[chadds]

May I suggest one large IP. They are extremely portable. Easily lifted cause you're not doing a solo act. No comb issues. As Tom said they do exceed the capabilities of the IP112 + Ex112. The ER series is closer. But once you've cranked a big IP you'll know!

[jokerjkny]

Originally Posted by Bassflute

for years was two IP112ER stacks, so I could run my effects stereo like I used to in my Eden 800 - 2xHT112 days. But I tried the IP112ER with the other HT112ER powered by a Markbass amp, and was getting a LOT of comb filtering, which I didn't get when I used other types amp/cabs on the second channel. So now I'm thinking an assymetrical stereo rig is the best set up, which will avoid a lot of comb filtering...I'm hoping for some kind of IP153/310 type rig in the middle, and use the HT112 and the IP112 out to each side for a kind of 3.1 rig.(...)

were they side by side?

[Bassflute]

Originally Posted by jokerjkny

were they side by side?

and the comb filtering was quite pronounced. I didn't get any when using my old Trace Acoustic PA for one channel, and the IP rig for another, and I've tried a few other assymetrical rigs, so I'm thinking that might be the way to go.

I MIGHT try 2 Promethean amps as extensions, with the IP 112ER in the middle, for a smaller rig.

Alain Caron is also working with Markbass on a new stereo rig...once you're hooked on stereo effects, it's hard to go back to mono...it sounds SO dull in comparison.

Here's stereo with my IP and Trace PA...

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrBassfl.../3/ekpgm7ScyAQ

Pardon the playing...first time with the Q3...was more worried about 'am I peaking this thing out?...is my hair allright?' than my playing.

Cheers,
Cameron