2x12's not cutting it....

trjazzluva05 · #1 09-12-2010, 06:30 PM

i have an Aguilar GS212 thats a great cab, but has no punch or quickness that i like. i like a more modern sound. i use it at gigs and it has that low end of 15's, but no growl or punch. i had a GS112 and that by itself sounded clearer than the GS212. I used and SWR Goliath III cab and it sounded great!!! It seemed to have a more balanced sound to my ears. the GS212tone gets lost in a band mix. I play primarily gospel, R&B and and rock. it works for when i play rock but suffers with everything else. i have more of a hi fi contemperary tone. i love Aguilar gear but cant afford a GS410 (new or used.) but i want a good 4X10 cab, and a light one if i can. Any ideas of what i should do????

splitcoilsenior · #2 09-12-2010, 06:35 PM

Add a 2x10 would probably help out a lot.

trjazzluva05 · #3 09-12-2010, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by splitcoilsenior

Add a 2x10 would probably help out a lot.

Hey man i would rather have a 4x10 setup. A 4x10 would cover all the styles of music i play with one cab.

Stingray5 · #4 09-12-2010, 09:07 PM

What is your budget? I've had a 2x12 for a while now and while I love it sometimes I still really crave a 4x10 again. I'd look at the Hartke 410 HyDrive or GK Neo 410 for lower priced punch and growl.

rpsands · #5 09-12-2010, 09:24 PM

If you're any good at DIY, you could put together a couple Jack 12's for ~150-250 bucks a cabinet (depending on number of piezos). Really a big fan of that cab for a "modern" bass sound.

trjazzluva05 · #6 09-12-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stingray5

What is your budget? I've had a 2x12 for a while now and while I love it sometimes I still really crave a 4x10 again. I'd look at the Hartke 410 HyDrive or GK Neo 410 for lower priced punch and growl.

Yeah man me too, which compelled me to switch. I never went with a 4x10 before because I wanted to keep it light, plus I thought 12's would be the best of both worlds. And for it worked for me for awhile but lately has been coming up short. I would describe my tone as a Marcus Miller/ Jaco kind of tone. I'll probably put it my Aguilar up in the Classifieds in the next couple of weeks for sale or trade for a 4x10 and see how that works.

trjazzluva05 · #7 09-12-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rpsands

If you're any good at DIY, you could put together a couple Jack 12's for ~150-250 bucks a cabinet (depending on number of piezos). Really a big fan of that cab for a "modern" bass sound.

Unfortunately rpsands, I stink at that kind of thing....

gillento · #8 09-13-2010, 12:21 AM

What's your eq settings?

I had a GS212 as well and I had never any issues of cutting thru....
(I only sold it to follow a certain 410 hype,... I whish I didn't)

Now I have a db212, which has more mids than the GS.
That might be your answer

Jim Carr · #9 09-13-2010, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by trjazzluva05

...I used and SWR Goliath III cab and it sounded great!!! It seemed to have a more balanced sound to my ears...

Were you driving the GIII with the tone hammer/Crown set up?

craig.p · #10 09-13-2010, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by gillento

What's your eq settings?

I had a GS212 as well and I had never any issues of cutting thru....
(I only sold it to follow a certain 410 hype,... I whish I didn't)

Now I have a db212, which has more mids than the GS.
That might be your answer

Ditto on that. Depending on the particular cab I connect to any particular head, my eq settings can vary all over the map. For a lighter, fast, commercial tone, my 2x12 cabs need bass cut along with a little goosing up in the midrange, along with a bit of overdrive to add some harmonic content. And if that isn't enough, which is rarely the case, getting them a few feet off the floor can help, too. And away from any walls, of course. A well-designed cab that's relatively flat in a dead chamber can sound murky and muddy and undefined if it's located in a bad place; it's like cranking your amp's bass knob and reducing your amp's damping factor to near zero.

Son of Bovril · #11 09-13-2010, 05:32 AM

if thats your tone, how about the marcus Golight 410 sealed cab or even just the standard Golight - is that out of your budget range? I'll second that Harke Hydrive suggestion as well

trjazzluva05 · #12 09-13-2010, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by gillento

What's your eq settings?

I had a GS212 as well and I had never any issues of cutting thru....
(I only sold it to follow a certain 410 hype,... I whish I didn't)

Now I have a db212, which has more mids than the GS.
That might be your answer

My settings on my Tone Hammer are bass at 2 o clock, treble at 2, mid freq all the way up, and the mid knob cut all the way down. its cool as a personal tone, but just doesn't cut it at a gig. So I've tried other settings at my live shows and I hate the tone I'm getting. I recently sent my Crown back an bought a used GK MB2-500. I got it due to portability and the fact i can use it cab-less for personal practice. I had one but I unfortunately sold it to my church. So I use a MB2/Goliath III setup and I bypass the MB preamp with my Tone Hammer at the same settings listed above, it sounds great!!!! Just the sound I'm looking for. So I'm convinced that its my cab that's the problem.

trjazzluva05 · #13 09-13-2010, 07:26 AM

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OTE=Son of Bovril;9699899]if thats your tone, how about the marcus Golight 410 sealed cab or even just the standard Golight - is that out of your budget range? I'll second that Harke Hydrive suggestion as well[/quote]

Yeah man unfortunately both of those options would probably be out of my range. Only thing I have toward a new cab is selling / trading my GS212 towards one. I thinking I could get like $500 cash or cash value for my GS212. What I'm looking for is an SWR Goliath III, a GK Neo 4x10, a Aguilar GS 410 or a Epifani 410.

blowinblue · #14 09-13-2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by trjazzluva05

The GS212 tone gets lost in a band mix.

Sorry to hear of your troubles, mate. My GS 212 never gets lost in the mix. Others who have heard my setup with the Aggie describe it as warm, a bit dark, punchy, and clear. You mention that you're considering an Epifani UL-410. I own one of those, too. It's a great sounding cab (and a bit louder) but most of the compliments I receive come when playing my GS 212. I hope you sort things out.

M. M.

rpsands · #15 09-13-2010, 10:32 AM

I would wager if you put Deltalite 2512 IIs or 3012HOs in that box you'd get quite a bit more midrange volume and possibly a little bit on bottom too. Overall, probably sound a lot more modern.

I'd go with Deltalites myself - 3012HOs seem to want a slightly smaller box (But they'd probably be fine). I've heard very good things about 2512 IIs as a drop in for the GS series cabs.

trjazzluva05 · #16 09-13-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blowinblue

Sorry to hear of your troubles, mate. My GS 212 never gets lost in the mix. Others who have heard my setup with the Aggie describe it as warm, a bit dark, punchy, and clear. You mention that you're considering an Epifani UL-410. I own one of those, too. It's a great sounding cab (and a bit louder) but most of the compliments I receive come when playing my GS 212. I hope you sort things out.

M. M.

yeah man i does have a warm, dark and somewhat rounder sound to me. i want something with more definition in the low-mids and more natural open midrange, that only seem to come from 10s. my slap and fingerstyle tone seems to get lost in the mix, epsecially when i play gospel. yeah i would love to get my hands on a Epifani UL410, a SWR GoLight, or a GK Neo. I want to stay on the light side. but if i cant get those i would take a used SWR Goliath III cab as well.

trjazzluva05 · #17 09-13-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rpsands

I would wager if you put Deltalite 2512 IIs or 3012HOs in that box you'd get quite a bit more midrange volume and possibly a little bit on bottom too. Overall, probably sound a lot more modern.

I'd go with Deltalites myself - 3012HOs seem to want a slightly smaller box (But they'd probably be fine). I've heard very good things about 2512 IIs as a drop in for the GS series cabs.

Yeah man i heard about that but im not sure it would give me that open midrange im looking for. when i boost my mids on my GS it makes my basses sound "cheap"...

plus the lows are too boomy, not balanced enough for my taste. I sent my Crown XLS 1000 back and ended up going back to a GK MB2-500. its smaller, lighter, more transperent sound, and i can still use it as a power section with my Tone Hammer. It also has a headphone output for practicing when i travel which is a plus. I never should have sold my first one....

PunkSweeper · #18 09-13-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by trjazzluva05

I would describe my tone as a Marcus Miller/ Jaco kind of tone.

Uhh...aren't those kind of opposites?

Eminor3rd · #19 09-13-2010, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkSweeper

Uhh...aren't those kind of opposites?

+1

Eminor3rd · #20 09-13-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by trjazzluva05

yeah man i does have a warm, dark and somewhat rounder sound to me. i want something with more definition in the low-mids and more natural open midrange, that only seem to come from 10s. my slap and fingerstyle tone seems to get lost in the mix, epsecially when i play gospel. yeah i would love to get my hands on a Epifani UL410, a SWR GoLight, or a GK Neo. I want to stay on the light side. but if i cant get those i would take a used SWR Goliath III cab as well.

Goliath III is like ALL upper mids with some good treble extension, with a pronounced low-mid cut. At least that's my impression from gigging it for about 4 years.