2x15 problems

[zarigunn]

Hello,
I have some problems with my tone out of my 2x15 cab.
Just want to ask if someone has the knowledge of clearing op my tone a bit?

I play thru a rickenbacker =>
carlsbro cs-100-tc all-tube head (100 watts) =>
kustom IV B-2x15 cabinet.
http://www.broadwaymusicco.com/kustom4.htm

today I played with the same rig thru ampeg '90
svt-15e and a svt-210HE.
Awesome!

But I don 't have the money for that yet.

The problem with the 2x15 is that the D and G string are to low at volume and the sound is to boomy.
thanks

[s_mcsleazy]

do you have the the same problem with the ampeg?
whats your eq like?

DETALES

[zarigunn]

Originally Posted by s_mcsleazy

do you have the the same problem with the ampeg?
whats your eq like?

DETALES

with the ampeg it was amazing,
My settings are mostly flat.
Bass at 5 treble at 5.

[s_mcsleazy]

did you use the rick with the ampeg?

[zarigunn]

Originally Posted by s_mcsleazy

did you use the rick with the ampeg?

No, i did use the 2 ampeg cabinets instead of my kustom cabinet.
really nice, but on a 2x15 its kinda boomy

[s_mcsleazy]

well then theres a few things to keep in mind

1. the speekers are probably really old so there going to sound boomy and there 15's so there going to have alot more low defanition
2. all heads sound diffrent flat so changing your eq might help a tad (rolling off the low end a tad always helps sort that "boomy" sound
3. if you didnt use your rick when trying the ampeg and the d,g strings sound kinda week then you might wanna move the pickups closer to the strings to help

[zarigunn]

Originally Posted by s_mcsleazy

well then theres a few things to keep in mind

1. the speekers are probably really old so there going to sound boomy and there 15's so there going to have alot more low defanition
2. all heads sound diffrent flat so changing your eq might help a tad (rolling off the low end a tad always helps sort that "boomy" sound
3. if you didnt use your rick when trying the ampeg and the d,g strings sound kinda week then you might wanna move the pickups closer to the strings to help

it wasn 't the rick, I' m sure about that but the second one is really helpfull to me.
thanx.
I think I 'll roll it back a little till i have the other cabinets.
really want that sound back right now

[s_mcsleazy]

dude dont sweat it. i love 2x15s

i hope to get one one day though

[zarigunn]

Originally Posted by s_mcsleazy

dude dont sweat it. i love 2x15s

i hope to get one one day though

I love it verry much too.
But i miss something in the sound.
So i keep 1x15 of the 2x15
and put a 4x10 on itn but a 4x10 is tooooo big to add with the 1x15 so i put a 2x10 in that place.
1X15 + 2x10 with tweater is really perfect to me.
All sounds in 2

[Devo-lution]

Hi Sander (zarigunn)

Having personally seen Zarigunn play on multiple occasions, I thought it might be handy to chime in.

So you're going for the 2x10 + 1x15? Might be nice . I quite like those ampeg HE cabs.

I personally like the 2x15 sound you have, but as said... it has A LOT going on in the lows. I experienced it as a quite punchy sound, if somewhat undefined, IMO.

Having seen you playing in a stoner rockband most of the time, I always thought the tone was quite neat and fitting. But if you want less boom and more definition and higher string volume for the D and G, I'm not sure on what to do. And... your amp only has "bass" and "treble" controls and some kind of low pas filter, am I right?

What are the settings on your Rick? Maybe some rickheads are able to help you out... I'd try cutting the bass a bit on your amp, like Mcsleazy said.

Anyhow, godspeed

Greetz
Kim

[greenboy]

Yeah, when EQ facilities are limited it's especially important to cut things rather than always attempting to boost something else. Cutting the bass EQ some is a good call almost always with high-volume, older cab design situations.

[billfitzmaurice]

Boom was pretty common with cabs of that vintage, the fault being the drivers used then. Make sure the cab is fully lined with at least an inch of damping, either foam or polyester or fiberglass batting. Unlined cabs boom far worse than lined.

[Devo-lution]

This seems like a topic where Jimmy might be able to help out?

Also, I heard you say once that your amp head was designed for bass guitar as well as for guitar or something like that... Not quite sure, it's all a bit cloudy . Might be worthwile checking the positioning of those EQ-points in the tonal spectrum?

[Jim Campbell]

Originally Posted by zarigunn

it wasn 't the rick, I' m sure about that but the second one is really helpfull to me.
thanx.
I think I 'll roll it back a little till i have the other cabinets.
really want that sound back right now

you might want to roll off the bass a tad and up the volume....i don't know about the ampeg but my mesa tone controls add more up to certain volumes ....a quick read of your manual might be in order

[zarigunn]

Originally Posted by Devo-lution

Hi Sander (zarigunn)

Having personally seen Zarigunn play on multiple occasions, I thought it might be handy to chime in.

So you're going for the 2x10 + 1x15? Might be nice . I quite like those ampeg HE cabs.

I personally like the 2x15 sound you have, but as said... it has A LOT going on in the lows. I experienced it as a quite punchy sound, if somewhat undefined, IMO.

Having seen you playing in a stoner rockband most of the time, I always thought the tone was quite neat and fitting. But if you want less boom and more definition and higher string volume for the D and G, I'm not sure on what to do. And... your amp only has "bass" and "treble" controls and some kind of low pas filter, am I right?

What are the settings on your Rick? Maybe some rickheads are able to help you out... I'd try cutting the bass a bit on your amp, like Mcsleazy said.

Anyhow, godspeed

Greetz
Kim

I play thru fire-engine red rick => stereo jack => treble pickup to treble channel on the head => bass / treble controls.
Bass pickup to bass channel bass/treble controls => both channels are controlled with a (top cut= little lpf I think)
and than too a kustom iV b2-15.
my controls at the bass are pretty flat.
And the strings I use are D' addario halfrounds.
(need to change them tough)
its quite a mess, i know.
but I have verry much sound possibelity 's with it.
its just really boomy on the bass so i can't hear all freq 's right out of the cab. its like its scooped a lot i think?

thx

[zarigunn]

Originally Posted by Jim Campbell

you might want to roll off the bass a tad and up the volume....i don't know about the ampeg but my mesa tone controls add more up to certain volumes ....a quick read of your manual might be in order

Don 't have a manual
date head : 1969..?
date cab : '70 - '80
I 'm not a vintage guy, it just did sound verry good.
(the cab did sound better as my marshall mbc-410 so I did trade it. But still, its not everything)

[Devo-lution]

maybe a little out of the blue... but are there high pass filters on the market that take care of booming?

[VS]

Originally Posted by zarigunn

Hello,
I have some problems with my tone out of my 2x15 cab.
Just want to ask if someone has the knowledge of clearing op my tone a bit?

I play thru a rickenbacker =>
carlsbro cs-100-tc all-tube head (100 watts) =>
kustom IV B-2x15 cabinet.
http://www.broadwaymusicco.com/kustom4.htm

today I played with the same rig thru ampeg '90
svt-15e and a svt-210HE.
Awesome!

But I don 't have the money for that yet.

The problem with the 2x15 is that the D and G string are to low at volume and the sound is to boomy.
thanks

This is just my opinion.
I've learned through the years that playing through one size of speakers just doesn't cut it for me. It may work for some people, but not all. You said you liked the sound of the Ampeg 15" and 10" together. I prefer 15" and 10" speaker configurations too. I've used the following configurations:

1x15"
2x10"
2x12"
2x15"
4x10"
8x10"

Out of those configurations, I prefer the 2x10" + 2x12" sound and 1x15" + 4x10". Of course most of this can depend on your bass and your amp. There are quite a few people who dislike the idea of pairing a 1x15" with a 4x10". Believe it or not, that's the setup I use to this day for both gigging and recording. Try as many different configurations as you can before you buy. You will find what works best for YOU. What may work well for someone here on Talkbass may not be what's best for you. Cheers! -Luke

[zarigunn]

thx for the information.
I 'm curious about the 2x12 + 2x10 configuration,
But the 4x10 + 1x15 doesn 't attract me so much.
More like the 2x10 + 1x15 than.
just personal .

But i think you 're right single speaker size doesn 't work to good for me.
I like the 15 's verry verry much.
But there 's something lacking in my sound.

peace

[delta7fred]

zarigunn

I thought it was only me that used a CS-100-TC on bass.

I used one through a 4X12 cab from 1968 until 1995. It had zero bottom end, great top though. Our drummer said it sounded like someone kicking a steel dustbin round a concrete backyard. Pretty accurate comparison I thought.

I don't think it will matter what cab you run the Carlsbro into it will still lack bottom end. It is a lead amp through and through.

I did a frequency response check on mine (with a sig gen and a scope). The treble boost even on the Normal channel is quite substantial, on the Treble channel (or whatever it is called) it is just insane (that is the channel I always used). I have the paper copy of the results somewhere, it looks like the North Face of the Eiger. If I can find it I will scan it and post a copy.

fred