300ish watt, 8ohm, 10" Speakers exist?

togglehead · #1 02-04-2011, 09:40 AM

I have a 210 cabinet that needs to be filled with speakers. The existing ones blew out, so it give me a chance to build this cab back up to spec i want.

Ok...so id ultimately like the cab to handle about 450+watts at 4ohms. Ive got a 4ohm 410...a 4ohm 15"...and id like a 210 to round out the collection...just incase i dont need to lug the huge ampeg 410.

I was looking into eminence drivers...but didnt find anything on their site to spec. Any ideas?

billfitzmaurice · #2 02-04-2011, 09:54 AM

There are many threads here about speaker replacement. Search them. The most important factor is matching the driver to the cab via the T/S specs:
http://www.eminence.com/support/unde...dspeaker-data/

Of those specs the thermal power rating is one of the least significant. What limits low frequency output is displacement (Vd), not power(Pe).

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I was looking into eminence drivers...but didnt find anything on their site to spec.

Everything you could possibly need to know is there.

Sundogue · #3 02-04-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by togglehead

I have a 210 cabinet that needs to be filled with speakers. The existing ones blew out, so it give me a chance to build this cab back up to spec i want.

Ok...so id ultimately like the cab to handle about 450+watts at 4ohms. Ive got a 4ohm 410...a 4ohm 15"...and id like a 210 to round out the collection...just incase i dont need to lug the huge ampeg 410.

I was looking into eminence drivers...but didnt find anything on their site to spec. Any ideas?

BP102's come in 4 or 8 ohms and are rated at 200 watts. I don't know of any 300 watt speakers.

Although most cab designs make the speakers "displacement limited" meaning they'd never use all the watts they are rated for anyway. For the most part they'd fart out and/or not get any louder after 100 watts or so anyway. The wattage rating is just a thermal rating meaning the voice coil would melt if you exceeded the wattage rating.

You need to get the internal volume (cubic dimensions, minus bracing speakers, handles and anything else taking up space inside) of the cab before even considering which speakers will work in that existing cabinet.

EDIT: Yeah, what BFM said.

togglehead · #4 02-04-2011, 10:01 AM

Oh absolutely. I understand all this...but, the wattage "requirement" was merely based on how much power my head puts out. Id just like to feel safe the cab isnt going to explode. I usually dont mind over powering a cab a bit, since im never cranked up...

400w might be fine. the head puts out just under 500 to each of two cabs...so, if i keep it tame...i should be ok.

iualum · #5 02-04-2011, 10:06 AM

http://www.usspeaker.com/homepage.htm

tjh · #6 02-04-2011, 10:09 AM

The 10's that were in the original Avatar B210's were Deltas, and that 210 cab was rated at 600 watts, and was available in either 4 or 8 ohm configuration ... those speakers did not have the rating to go as low in frequency as the current neo's, but I actually preferred them ... I do not know the model or specs of the Delta, but give Dave at Avatar a call ... I am sure he can answer your question ...

Sundogue · #7 02-04-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by togglehead

Oh absolutely. I understand all this...but, the wattage "requirement" was merely based on how much power my head puts out. Id just like to feel safe the cab isnt going to explode. I usually dont mind over powering a cab a bit, since im never cranked up...

400w might be fine. the head puts out just under 500 to each of two cabs...so, if i keep it tame...i should be ok.

Honestly, you can match up any head with any cab. They have volume controls. And for the most part, you are never putting as many watts into a cab as you think.

But as BFM said watts are the least important thing. You need to get the internal volume of the cab and using the T/S specs determine which speakers will work best in your cab. Use WinISD to help sort it out.

Best thing is to replace with the same speakers that were in it because that's what the cab was built for.

togglehead · #8 02-04-2011, 10:34 AM

Understood. Cab was built to SWR goliath specs...its custom built.

Ill dig in...thanks.

togglehead · #9 02-04-2011, 10:42 AM

Hm...whats the down side of using car audio speakers? Not necessarily thinking about it...but ive always been curious....

Sundogue · #10 02-04-2011, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by togglehead

Understood. Cab was built to SWR goliath specs...its custom built.

Ill dig in...thanks.

Call or e-mail SWR first. Only if the cab's internal volume matches up with an Eminence driver will it be anywhere near as good or it's equal to what speakers the cab was designed for.

togglehead · #11 02-04-2011, 10:47 AM

I have reason to suspect that this cab wasnt stuffed with the right speakers to begin with...and is partly why one blew out.

I'm open to the idea of getting a decent new (used) 210....but, im low on cash and this seems to be a cheaper option...

1n3 · #12 02-04-2011, 11:35 AM

Ditto to BillFitzmaurice and Sundogue's comments.

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Originally Posted by togglehead

I was looking into eminence drivers...but didnt find anything on their site to spec.

Don't know how that could happen. Here are three I'd point you to:

Basslite S2010
DeltaliteII 2510
Legend BP102

These are all 8ohm speakers; two in parallel will give you a 4ohm load. Check out the reference cab sheets to get an idea of displacement-limited power in various cab styles and sizes. Better yet, get WinISD and learn to use it.

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Originally Posted by togglehead

I have reason to suspect that this cab wasnt stuffed with the right speakers to begin with...and is partly why one blew out.

Perhaps. Another possibility is that you didn't notice the tell-tale sounds of an overdriven speaker, or back the volume off when you did. 450 watts is enough to endanger many 210s, especially if you like to boost bass.

togglehead · #13 02-04-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 1n3

Ditto to BillFitzmaurice and Sundogue's comments.

Don't know how that could happen. Here are three I'd point you to:

Basslite S2010
DeltaliteII 2510
Legend BP102

These are all 8ohm speakers; two in parallel will give you a 4ohm load. Check out the reference cab sheets to get an idea of displacement-limited power in various cab styles and sizes. Better yet, get WinISD and learn to use it.

Perhaps. Another possibility is that you didn't notice the tell-tale sounds of an overdriven speaker, or back the volume off when you did. 450 watts is enough to endanger many 210s, especially if you like to boost bass.

First...i got it blown. Im familiar with the overdriven speaker sounds. ;P

Secondly...im on a mac...sucks for me! hehe

1n3 · #14 02-04-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by togglehead

First...i got it blown. Im familiar with the overdriven speaker sounds. ;P

OK, sorry... I mentioned it for the sake of your future speakers.

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Secondly...im on a mac...sucks for me! hehe

There is an online version, java-based: http://www.linearteam.dk/default.aspx?pageid=isdonline

Not as easy to use as the Windows-based program, but better than nothing.

togglehead · #15 02-04-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 1n3

OK, sorry... I mentioned it for the sake of your future speakers.

There is an online version, java-based: http://www.linearteam.dk/default.aspx?pageid=isdonline

Not as easy to use as the Windows-based program, but better than nothing.

Thanks! I meant no ill will of course...just playin around. =]

Sartori · #16 02-04-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by togglehead

Hm...whats the down side of using car audio speakers? Not necessarily thinking about it...but ive always been curious....

The downside is that they're not very good for bass guitar applications, generally speaking.

Car speakers are designed for use in a very very small room (the interior of the car). They're not designed for use in bass cabs.

BassmanPaul · #17 02-04-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by togglehead

Secondly...im on a mac...sucks for me! hehe

WinISD can be run a a Java script from the Linear web site quite happily with Safari. You could also use Virtual PC, Parallels or if your Mac is an Intel Mac, Windows can be run natively.

togglehead · #18 02-04-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sartori

The downside is that they're not very good for bass guitar applications, generally speaking.

Car speakers are designed for use in a very very small room (the interior of the car). They're not designed for use in bass cabs.

Gotcha...good point. Far less air to move around. And with so much travel, i bet their response wouldnt be great either...noted.

tjh · #19 02-04-2011, 02:35 PM

I have seen the Avatar B210 Delta cabs I spoke of earlier for sale in the $150-175 range used ... they are out there if you are cash strapped ... I sold two in that range

dominic54321 · #20 02-04-2011, 02:59 PM

The Avatar Delta 10's are the "Eminence Delta 10a or Delta 10b". I just spoke with Avatar last week. 10a is 8 ohm. 10b is 16ohm. I just bought two Delta 10a's for an Avatar 410 cab. I'm selling the 410 cab, and might have a brand new Delta 10a 8ohm leftover going up for sale in the classifieds for $65 shipped if you're interested. Oh, they are rated at 350watts RMS!!!!