3015HO vs. Kappalite II 3015 vs. regular 3015

thobbinghotrod · #1 04-01-2010, 05:44 PM

I'm doing some research on buying a 3015 but ran into a problem, there are too many to choose from.

The only thing I know is that I don't want the LF model. What are the differences in the HO and the II verses the 3015.

Johnny Mack · #2 04-01-2010, 06:02 PM

as far as i know, there is a kappalite 3012HO, 3012LF, 3015, 3015LF. there is also a deltalite II. hang tight, someone will correct me soon enough.

DukeLeJeune · #3 04-01-2010, 06:26 PM

You can hang loose Johnny Mack... I don't think anyone is going to correct you. My reading of the Eminence neo woofer line is the same as yours:

http://www.eminence.com/neodymium.asp

Johnny Mack · #4 04-01-2010, 06:47 PM

phew...

JimmyM · #5 04-01-2010, 06:48 PM

the 3015 and 3012ho are basically the same design in different sizes. they are full range woofers designed to be used in cabs without a mid driver like most 115 cabs you see. the 3015lf and 3012lf (lf stands for low frequency) are designed to be used in subwoofers and cabs where you cross over to a mid driver.

don't know much about the deltalites, though.

Matt Dean · #6 04-01-2010, 07:04 PM

We don't know what kind of box you want to load... but I sure like the 3015 in my TL 606.

rpsands · #7 04-01-2010, 08:26 PM

If your box is 2.5-3.5cf, 3015. More than 3.5cf, 3015LF and a mid driver.

will33 · #8 04-01-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

the 3015 and 3012ho are basically the same design in different sizes. they are full range woofers designed to be used in cabs without a mid driver like most 115 cabs you see. the 3015lf and 3012lf (lf stands for low frequency) are designed to be used in subwoofers and cabs where you cross over to a mid driver.

don't know much about the deltalites, though.

Deltalite's can go both ways. Enough SPL and excursion to cross to a good mid and have a good, loud cab. Also have a rising response up through the mids to sound good as a one speaker does it all cab or cross to a big tweeter horn in a 2-way PA type cab.

Probably one of the reasons some folks say, "neo's are brighter or not as warm" because the deltalite, which is kind of a base starting point for other OEM stuff as well gets louder as you go up the scale. In fact it still out performs a lot of older stuff in the lows as well, just doesn't sound that way because of enhanced mid response.

Has nothing to do with the magnet but still, if that's what it sounds like, then that's what it is. It's 97db in the lower end but 100+ from 1k - 3k.

http://www.eminence.com/pdf/deltaliteII2512.pdf

Edit: 100+ to 4k and that's pretty much the end of the line. Take disperison into account of course.

rpsands · #9 04-01-2010, 08:58 PM

I don't see a lot of point in buying a deltalite 15 anymore; the kappalites perform in a bigger range of boxes and more even up top, and can take more beating on bottom. Saving 20-30 bucks doesn't seem worth it to me. What you get for that 20 bucks is a looot of driver.

On the otherhand, a deltalite 12 vs. the 3012HO is almost double the price, so right there is a lot of value (although the Basslite S2012 has a lot going for it too).

will33 · #10 04-01-2010, 09:12 PM

Should have clarified I was thinking of the 12's with all that. Basslite 12's look nice too, likely better if crossed for a more even/level sounding cab. The SPL requirements open up another area of good but not too expensive 6's also.

As far as 15's, yeah, I probably wouldn't buy anything other than some form of kappalite.

thobbinghotrod · #11 04-03-2010, 09:34 AM

http://www.shopwiki.com/Eminence+Kap...er+(B000BBGRGE)

This page is were all the wrong info came from. I'll just order some 3015's and call it a day.

chiplexic · #12 04-04-2010, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rpsands

On the otherhand, a deltalite 12 vs. the 3012HO is almost double the price, so right there is a lot of value (although the Basslite S2012 has a lot going for it too).

Looking at the 3012HO on WinISD, in a 2.2 cu.ft cab (to match my 2512 cab), the 3012 has a much flatter curve compared to the DeltaLite 2512 cab.

Problem is when I once tuned my 2512 cab to have a very similar flat curve I didn't like the tone at all. I made a slight adjustment to that 2512 cab tuning and now have a nice warm,punchy low-mid presence and a nice sounding cab. I can't seem to create the same curve on Win ISD using the 3012 no matter the tuning or cab size. Now I'm thinking of just getting another 2512 since I know what to expect.

rpsands · #13 04-04-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chiplexic

Looking at the 3012HO on WinISD, in a 2.2 cu.ft cab (to match my 2512 cab), the 3012 has a much flatter curve compared to the DeltaLite 2512 cab.

Problem is when I once tuned my 2512 cab to have a very similar flat curve I didn't like the tone at all. I made a slight adjustment to that 2512 cab tuning and now have a nice warm,punchy low-mid presence and a nice sounding cab. I can't seem to create the same curve on Win ISD using the 3012 no matter the tuning or cab size. Now I'm thinking of just getting another 2512 since I know what to expect.

It's really near impossible to get a big upper bass bump out of the 3012HO; if that's the tone you want and you can't fix it with eq, you might as well go with the 2512

If you want "sounds good, flat bottom, in 1.2cf" the 3012HO is it. No way you can stuff a 2512 in a box that size and get that kinda performance.

thobbinghotrod · #14 04-04-2010, 11:08 PM

http://www.shopwiki.com/Eminence+Kap...er+(B000BBGRGE)

This page is were all the wrong info came from. I'll just order some 3015's and call it a day.

Someone must have informed them that there is no such thing as a Kappalite II 3015 as it's been taken off that page.

chiplexic · #15 04-05-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rpsands

It's really near impossible to get a big upper bass bump out of the 3012HO; if that's the tone you want and you can't fix it with eq, you might as well go with the 2512

If you want "sounds good, flat bottom, in 1.2cf" the 3012HO is it. No way you can stuff a 2512 in a box that size and get that kinda performance.

I have no complaints moving around a 2.2cu.ft cab with the Neo.
So a smaller 1.2cuft is definately not a goal in any design mock up. When I first tried the DeltaLite 2512-II, I had the tuning all wrong and some said it is the wrong driver to even bother with. It was actually one of the Genz guys who told me to stick with it and try a different tuning. Stating it was basically the driver used in their successful NeoX112T cab with a bit of custom tweeks. So I kept with it and I'm glad I did. I find no need for a tweeter using the 2512 either. That 3012ho just doesn't seem like a more powerful 2512, it looks like a totally different tone result.

Also ,that "upper bass bump out " has definately been controllable in a 2.2cuft cab by using proper tuning...imo and my taste.

rpsands · #16 04-05-2010, 09:55 AM

Yeah, the upper bass bump is definitely a matter of taste. I don't like it all the time, but some people do.

The 3012HO is absolutely a completely different driver; it's got vastly different specs and needs to be used in a different tuning and cabinet size. I like it because it is smoother down low and takes a much smaller box, but again that's a matter of taste