410 + 410 vs 410 + 215

Electricblue · #1 11-09-2011, 01:20 PM

Ok, I'm re-thinking my rig.

My current setup is:

Ashdown MAG300
Ashdown MAG115
Ashdown MAG410

I realise that 115 + 410 is a bad pairing.

I'm thinking of some Hartke stuff, because I think the aluminium cones and shizz would give me more highs.

I understand that matched cabs are the best, but when I take away the 115 from my current rig, I just feel there's something missing.

I'm thinking 410XL + 410XL or 215XL + 410XL or 215 + 215.

I will most likely be getting a 1000w Power amp or something like that.

Any thoughts?

billfitzmaurice · #2 11-09-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Electricblue

Ok, I'm re-thinking my rig.

My current setup is:

Ashdown MAG300
Ashdown MAG115
Ashdown MAG410

I realise that 115 + 410 is a bad pairing.

I'm thinking of some Hartke stuff, because I think the aluminium cones and shizz would give me more highs.

I understand that matched cabs are the best, but when I take away the 115 from my current rig, I just feel there's something missing.

I'm thinking 410XL + 410XL or 215XL + 410XL or 215 + 215.

I will most likely be getting a 1000w Power amp or something like that.

Any thoughts?

To see if it makes any sense simply look at the manufacturer's measured SPL charts and displacement limits for the cabs you're considering and you'll be able to make a very well informed decision.

esa372 · #3 11-09-2011, 01:31 PM

It really depends which cab you like best.

You'd have to try the 410 and 215 separately to see which sound you prefer, and then pair it with another identical cab.

SBsoundguy · #4 11-09-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Electricblue

Ok, I'm re-thinking my rig.

My current setup is:

Ashdown MAG300
Ashdown MAG115
Ashdown MAG410

I realise that 115 + 410 is a bad pairing.

I'm thinking of some Hartke stuff, because I think the aluminium cones and shizz would give me more highs.

It won't. EQing in more highs is free.

Quote:

I understand that matched cabs are the best, but when I take away the 115 from my current rig, I just feel there's something missing.

You're missing the cab you've removed from the equation.

Quote:

I'm thinking 410XL + 410XL or 215XL + 410XL or 215 + 215.

I will most likely be getting a 1000w Power amp or something like that.

Any thoughts?

Sell the 1x15 and get the second 4x10.

Electricblue · #5 11-09-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SBsoundguy

It won't. EQing in more highs is free.

I've fiddled endlessly with my EQ, I can't get the brightness I need.

You're missing the cab you've removed from the equation.

I meant the bass I could feel before is just gone. It's like listening to a cheap pair of headphones, it's just got something missing.

Sell the 1x15 and get the second 4x10.

If you're on about my Ashdowns, they are terrible. They use very weak Blueline Sica drivers.

FIXED

GrowlerBox · #6 11-09-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

To see if it makes any sense simply look at the manufacturer's measured SPL charts and displacement limits for the cabs you're considering and you'll be able to make a very well informed decision.

I see what you did there ...

Given that this will never happen, you're going to have to try each setup against the others.

And, what you're missing when you take the 115 away from your current rig is likely to be more than compensated for if you replace it with another MAG410, which is probably what I'd do with the money.

Implosion · #7 11-09-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Electricblue

I've fiddled endlessly with my EQ, I can't get the brightness I need.

Buy a new set of roundwound strings.

Electricblue · #8 11-09-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Implosion

Buy a new set of roundwound strings.

New DR Neon pinks yesterday

Zoa · #9 11-09-2011, 02:10 PM

Listen to BFM over my advice, which happens to be: try the 410 and the 215, see which one you like the best, and then get two of them.

canadian*eh · #10 11-09-2011, 06:01 PM

I think something that is missing here that has been forgotten to be said......Is most 215 cabs are 4ohms and most 410 cabs are 8ohms....Now unless you have an amp that does not mind going down to 2.6ohms then no big deal...But in the end it is still a miss matched setup...not saying it wont sound good....but you would do way better with another matching 410!! Or just do what i am doing Get rid of all your cabs and get yourself a fearful 1515/66/1....You will have your 215's...and no just any 215.....thats a 215 Hyped on steroids!!! and you will blow away every 810 out there!!!

scottfeldstein · #11 11-09-2011, 06:20 PM

There are just too many pitfalls and caveats regarding mismatched cabs. Avoid doing so if you can.

Plus, you seem to be insinuating that having a 15 gives you something more in the bottom end of the EQ than a 410 would provide. I guess anything's possible. You could have a really poorly made 410 or an especially low-tuned 15 or something. But generally speaking I'd say it's nonsense. Volume aside, I'd take just about any 410 cab over a 15 low-end wise.

moles · #12 11-09-2011, 07:04 PM

I can tell you from first hand experience, (my main rig is a MAG 600 with two 410T Deep cabs) that with that Ashdown rig, adding the second 4x10 will make a world of difference in the low end.

You're also using a fairly warm sounding amp, and talking (writing) about needing more highs....eq some of the boom out, and last resort add an external eq for a high frequency boost... That amp can get bright if you makeit.