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05-27-2011, 10:46 PM
| | |  410 Neo Cab Comparison ~ Avatar Vs Carvin Vs Gallien-Krueger
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I'm trying to come up with a pros and cons list on these three cabs (4 ohm versions) and would appreciate input from others.  Avatar B410 Neo
$589 + 55 shipping
1000 watts
65 lbs
Frequency response: Not listed
no casters
not returnable.... limited one year warranty Carvin BRX10.4 Neo
$569 + 55 shipping
1200 watts
76 lbs
Reproduces Frequencies from low B (26 Hz to 22k Hz)
caster sockets included
10 day money back guarantee/ full 1 year warranty Gallien-Krueger 410 Neo
$599.00 + no shipping required
800 Watts
68 lbs
Frequency response: 30 Hz to 19kHz
removable casters
45 day return policy (if I buy online... free ship)/1 year warranty
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Last edited by ryevick : 05-28-2011 at 01:15 AM.
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05-27-2011, 10:50 PM
| | | | After putting together what I'm showing in the thread above, Avatar is not looking too good.
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05-27-2011, 11:44 PM
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Manufacturing: Pedals, Cables, Instruments. | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oregon | | | I have the BRX 10.4. Great cab for a great price. id say that freq response is pretty accurate as well as the power handling. Iv pushed a lot of power through it with no problems for the last.....well since 2007 or something. The spray on coating is finally starting to wear down on the corners. |
05-28-2011, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Ricnroll  | That sounds more like it  ... I got that from Musicians Friend. Thanks.
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05-28-2011, 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by calebbarton I have the BRX 10.4. Great cab for a great price. id say that freq response is pretty accurate as well as the power handling. Iv pushed a lot of power through it with no problems for the last.....well since 2007 or something. The spray on coating is finally starting to wear down on the corners. | I'm pretty sure it's going to come down to the GK and the Carvin... I wish I had looked at Carvin before I bought my head really. I might would've bought this Carvin setup.
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05-28-2011, 12:35 AM
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Manufacturing: Pedals, Cables, Instruments. | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Oregon | | Quote:
Originally Posted by ryevick I'm pretty sure it's going to come down to the GK and the Carvin... I wish I had looked at Carvin before I bought my head really. I might would've bought this Carvin setup. | Yeah I really wanted that head when I first saw it. Pretty cool. |
05-28-2011, 12:47 AM
|  | Registered User | | | | | i have a carvin 2x10 cabinet with red horn...after a while the cross over inside kinda fell apart inside, that was my experience on a carvin cab. |
05-28-2011, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard G i have a carvin 2x10 cabinet with red horn...after a while the cross over inside kinda fell apart inside, that was my experience on a carvin cab. | I have used that cab before. I hated it.....made me loose faith in Carvin until I got the BRX. |
05-28-2011, 10:39 AM
| | | | Hey,
I just picked up a GK NEO 410 at Guitar Center yesterday for $499, Memorial Weekend special. No brainer - sounds great.
It's light, even w/ casters on. I'm finding that casters are great not only for loading in-out, but small positioning adjustments with head already on top, and isolation from the floor.
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05-28-2011, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ryevick After putting together what I'm showing in the thread above, Avatar is not looking too good. | well maybe just a little avatar love is in order here...
i don't know about the "Neo" model, but i have one of the "Kappa" 410 ones which i guess they don't make anymore and it's pretty much the most badass cab ever. damn thing weighs over a hundred pounds lol! but it is unbelievably LOUD, and it retains the quality of tone even at extreme volumes. i have pushed it very hard at times, with lemmy-esque distortion, and it has never even broken a sweat. it's just a total champ and it's been with me since i first started playing. lots of times i've tried to replace it with cabs that were supposed to be better, but nothing has come close.
anyway, i can't speak for the Neo model but avatar is no joke. mine can easily handle stuff that would break most other 410's.
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05-28-2011, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ryevick I'm trying to come up with a pros and cons list on these three cabs (4 ohm versions) and would appreciate input from others. Avatar B410 Neo
$589 + 55 shipping
1000 watts
65 lbs
Frequency response: Not listed
no casters
not returnable.... limited one year warranty Carvin BRX10.4 Neo
$569 + 55 shipping
1200 watts
76 lbs
Reproduces Frequencies from low B (26 Hz to 22k Hz)
caster sockets included
10 day money back guarantee/ full 1 year warranty Gallien-Krueger 410 Neo
$599.00 + no shipping required
800 Watts
68 lbs
Frequency response: 30 Hz to 19kHz
removable casters
45 day return policy (if I buy online... free ship)/1 year warranty | The price on the tuff-rug model Avatar Neo 410 is (($489.00)) plus shipping...(even with shipping it'll be the least expensive of the three.)
All the speaker cabinet/sound guru's here at T.B. will tell ya not to pay any attention to manufacturers listed frequency response specs, (they don't tell the whole true story.)
Avatar uses Eminence's, top of the line, cast framed, Neo drivers with a custom x-max. (Same as Berg, Epi.)
Carvin uses Eminence's, less expensive stamped steel frame, Neo drivers, (as I believe does G.K.)
Screw on casters you can get at any hardware/farm supply store for around $5.00 each.
Socket casters will run around $10.00 each.
Last edited by shoot-r : 05-28-2011 at 12:45 PM.
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05-28-2011, 11:30 AM
|  | passionate hack | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Malone, NY/ Montreal, Quebec | | | Just my .02: think of the Avatar TB153 instead of any of those 410s. At least as loud, and deeper with better dispersion than the others.
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05-28-2011, 04:54 PM
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Robert A. Gallien, President Gallien-Krueger | | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by shoot-r The price on the tuff-rug model Avatar Neo 410 is (($489.00)) plus shipping...(even with shipping it'll be the least expensive of the three.)
All the speaker cabinet/sound guru's here at T.B. will tell ya not to pay any attention to manufacturers listed frequency response specs, (they don't tell the whole true story.)
Avatar uses Eminence's, top of the line, cast framed, Neo drivers with a custom x-max. (Same as Berg, Epi.)
Carvin uses Eminence's, less expensive stamped steel frame, Neo drivers, (as I believe does G.K.)
Screw on casters you can get at any hardware/farm supply store for around $5.00 each.
Socket casters will run around $10.00 each. | We make our own speakers and the Neo are cast frame!
Bob |
05-28-2011, 05:52 PM
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Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design | | Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Hampshire | | Quote:
Originally Posted by ryevick I'm trying to come up with a pros and cons list on these three cabs (4 ohm versions) and would appreciate input from others. Avatar B410 Neo
$589 + 55 shipping
1000 watts
65 lbs
Frequency response: Not listed
no casters
not returnable.... limited one year warranty Carvin BRX10.4 Neo
$569 + 55 shipping
1200 watts
76 lbs
Reproduces Frequencies from low B (26 Hz to 22k Hz)
caster sockets included
10 day money back guarantee/ full 1 year warranty Gallien-Krueger 410 Neo
$599.00 + no shipping required
800 Watts
68 lbs
Frequency response: 30 Hz to 19kHz
removable casters
45 day return policy (if I buy online... free ship)/1 year warranty | None of that information is adequate to make an informed decision. Knowing the specs on their drivers I'd take the Avatar over the Carvin. Since G-K doesn't reveal their driver specs there's no way to compare it other than playing through them side by side. |
05-29-2011, 03:08 AM
| | | I'm hearing the Avatar love but the thing I don't care for is the "you buy it and it's yours forever" policy... 
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05-29-2011, 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by lomo Just my .02: think of the Avatar TB153 instead of any of those 410s. At least as loud, and deeper with better dispersion than the others. | If I do go Avatar I will be considering that cab as well... that could very well be the one I choose.
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05-29-2011, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rag We make our own speakers and the Neo are cast frame!
Bob | Well there you go! The one in mine sure look like Eminence, though...but that's why I bought it 
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05-29-2011, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by rag We make our own speakers and the Neo are cast frame!
Bob | Not a slam at G.K., I use a G.K. 800 head and a G.K. MB2-500 head...but...
Best get ahold of Eminence...
(((Their listing G.K. as one of the companies they supply speakers to.)))
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05-29-2011, 10:27 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Albuquerque NM; Austin TX | | The 26Hz spec on the Carvin is a joke. I have one. 
Never played the GK, but must admit I'm skeptical of 30Hz at -3dB....
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