410 vs 115

[Holliwood]

So if I've been understanding much of the advice I have been getting correctly......

.....seeing that a 410 cab is of comparable size and misery to lug around as a 115....

....I'm better off with a 410??

How will that mesh with my 210, which I really wanna keep.

[JimmyM]

Not all 115's are that big. Some, like the Portaflex 115he, are a good bit smaller than a 410 sized 115. Anyway, if you're looking for volume, yes, a 410 is a good bit louder than a 115. But if you want to keep your 210, best thing to do is get a second 210 and stack them vertically like this for example:



All the power of a 410, but with better dispersion of mids and highs, and tall enough to get a speaker at your ear.

[irishryno]

410 moves more air, which means louder. 115 means deeper tone. It's a trade off. You also get more defined mids and his with a 410. So think about the tone, sound you are looking for. are you looking for lower grinding or driving deep vibrations, or are you looking for clarity to play in higher registers whilst reaching a larger room.

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by irishryno

410 moves more air, which means louder. 115 means deeper tone.

Not necessarily. As is the case with most broad generalizations this one isn't always true.

You also get more defined mids and his with a 410.

Also not necessarily. Most tens go higher than most fifteens, but when you put tens side by side whatever additional mids they might have is squandered because dispersion is halved. A 1x15 will have wider midrange dispersion than a 4x10, so while it may not go as high into the mids what mids it does have will be heard better.

But if you want to keep your 210, best thing to do is get a second 210 and stack them vertically l

+1.

[Sartori]

Originally Posted by irishryno

410 moves more air, which means louder. 115 means deeper tone. It's a trade off. You also get more defined mids and his with a 410. So think about the tone, sound you are looking for. are you looking for lower grinding or driving deep vibrations, or are you looking for clarity to play in higher registers whilst reaching a larger room.

Not exactly.

My 1x15 doesn't sound as deep as my 2x10, or go as high, but it's much more prominent in the mids.

[1n3]

Originally Posted by Holliwood

.....seeing that a 410 cab is of comparable size and misery to lug around as a 115....

False premise, I think. I don't know of a 115 that is as "miserable" to lug around as a 410 of comparable quality (similar construction, similar quality driver). Typically smaller, too.

[Holliwood]

Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

Not necessarily. As is the case with most broad generalizations this one isn't always true. Also not necessarily. Most tens go higher than most fifteens, but when you put tens side by side whatever additional mids they might have is squandered because dispersion is halved. A 1x15 will have wider midrange dispersion than a 4x10, so while it may not go as high into the mids what mids it does have will be heard better.
+1.

See.

From what I'm getting the 10's will give me all the lows and will move as much air as a 15 (or 2 15's)will but have better articulation and more volume.
If this is true, I like this.

I also like the big note in the lower registers.
Like a tank driving by your house.

I will have a 5 string within the year so I'll have another lower string to play with.

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by Holliwood

See.

From what I'm getting the 10's will give me all the lows and will move as much air as a 15 (or 2 15's)will but have better articulation and more volume.

It's all a case by case basis and you can't judge on speaker size alone.

[lomo]

Originally Posted by Sartori

Not exactly.

My 1x15 doesn't sound as deep as my 2x10, or go as high, but it's much more prominent in the mids.

That is your particular 210 and 15. My 15 goes lower than virtually any 210 in production, but that's just my 15. Box size/tuning has a huge impact on the freq response of the cab, as does the specific driver, but those facts seems lost on a large population of TBers.

[BagelBruin]

One day, when we all die and go to heaven, the Great Spirit in the Sky will tell us that we've been all wrong and that the perfect speaker configuration is...

[Jim Carr]

A 210 cabinet can combine well with a 410 cabinet. Typically if they have the same type drivers and same builder, you can use an 8 ohm 210 with a 4 ohm 410 with good results—thus making your 210 still useful.

[Holliwood]

O.o!!!!

8ohm 210 and a 4ohm 410????!!!
That wouldn't give me a 4 ohm load(making most amps I've seen unsuitable.)
Why not an 8 ohm 410?

[Sartori]

If your head is solid state, it doesn't matter, as long as it can do a 2 ohm load.

The point of having an 8 ohm 210 and a 4 ohm 410 is so that all speakers will see the same amount of power.

[Holliwood]

Originally Posted by Sartori

If your head is solid state, it doesn't matter, as long as it can do a 2 ohm load.

The point of having an 8 ohm 210 and a 4 ohm 410 is so that all speakers will see the same amount of power.

and why would all the speakers not "see" the same, although lesser, amount of power @ 4 ohms?

[BurningSkies]

Originally Posted by Holliwood

and why would all the speakers not "see" the same, although lesser, amount of power @ 4 ohms?

Please refer to this thread for more info:

Speaker power distribution

[Holliwood]

Ahhhhhh!!!!!

I see.

I always thought mixing cabs of different impedances was kind of a no-no.

[BurningSkies]

Originally Posted by Holliwood

Ahhhhhh!!!!!

I see.

I always thought mixing cabs of different impedances was kind of a no-no.

Nope. It can be useful if your amp can take it and you're doing it the right way. If you have a 4x10 4ohm cab and a 2x10 8ohm cab you're much better off because your 2x10 isn't seeing the same wattage as the 4x10, thus you're actually balancing the wattage between cabs (over all the speakers) more uniformly.

In the case we're talking about, you're splitting lesser wattage among two 10's and the greater wattage between 4 10's...you're less likely to overpower your speakers.

[Holliwood]

gotcha

[Mktavish]

Dagnamit ... burning skies has all the info before I can infect your mind.

But to add , your placement of speakers in a room will effect your low end response. Or if your cab is on a wood floor vs a cement floor will effect your sound.
Honestly I think 210 cabs should come with a stand to get them near the ceiling , as that will enhance the bass response , plus get some pretty good mid highs to your ear , if they are pointed downward from the ceiling wall corner.

[BagelBruin]

Let's talk about 412 and 8 by 8 cabs too.