4x10 & 1x12

allenhf · #1 07-27-2010, 08:19 AM

Anyone ever tried it? I'm running a carvin 4x10 cab loaded with Eminence Legends (horn got fried years ago) and I want to had some highs and mids without adding a lot of bulk to my rig. I see that Avatar offers a 1x12 that handles 500watts and has a horn. What do you guys think?

lomo · #2 07-27-2010, 08:22 AM

Lousy match if both 8 Ohms. If the 410 is 4 Ohms and the 12 is 8 Ohms it might sound OK. Best way not to add bulk would be to simply fix the tweeter and forget the 12.

smogg · #3 07-27-2010, 08:25 AM

4 X anything + 1 X anything = not such a good idea. 2X10+horn would prob be your best best. Is your 410 8ohm or 4ohm?

Bmorefoozler · #4 07-27-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by lomo

Lousy match if both 8 Ohms. If the 410 is 4 Ohms and the 12 is 8 Ohms it might sound OK. Best way not to add bulk would be to simply fix the tweeter and forget the 12.

Correct, or, even better, add a Closed Back Midrange and associated 2 way crossover instead of the tweeter.

Son of Bovril · #5 07-27-2010, 08:36 AM

maybe biamp using the 410 for lows and the 12 for mids and highs although I'd imagine volume wise you might get more purely from the 410 running full range...

allenhf · #6 07-27-2010, 08:37 AM

The 4x10 is currently wired @ 2ohms to get the most power out of my head, but I can re-wire if needed. I had thought about a 2x10, but wasn't sure if it would make a difference tonaly to throw more of the same in the chain. I'm sorry if I come across a little ignorant, I'm a guitar to bass convert and things are a whole lot more simple in the world of guitar amps.

4Mal · #7 07-27-2010, 08:41 AM

IMO - lose the 4x10 and get 1 good cab...

Jaco who? · #8 07-27-2010, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by allenhf

I see that Avatar offers a 1x12 that handles 500watts and has a horn. What do you guys think?

The ceramic delta 12" will not, no way, no how, "handle" 500 watts. That is what the voice coil is rated for before it melts and smells really tasty. It's unrelated to when the cone will max out and start farting, probably a little over 200 watts if your lucky. Even if it could handle that much power, you still wouldn't notice it compared to the output of a typical 4x10.

RickenBoogie · #9 07-27-2010, 05:08 PM

+1 to the dump what you've got and get one good cab idea. Also, "getting the most from your amp" is a waste of time. The cab will handle what it'll handle, and no more. Getting the most from your amp means using a properly matched pair of cabs, or one big cab.

rpsands · #10 07-27-2010, 05:11 PM

Total waste of time.

3506string · #11 07-27-2010, 05:14 PM

If you liked the cab before the tweeter blew, I would say just replace the tweeter maybe upgrade. There are some drivers and horns that get a have rep over here on TB.

svtb15 · #12 07-27-2010, 05:20 PM

If you buying new stuff I would not go that route.. But if its gear you already have, then sure why not try it..

The way I look at it.. Sometimes you just have to go Booom..

If that is the case, then try it. You have nothing to loose.
Will it sound great? I don't know. But It might be exactly what you like.. And that is then perfect.
It doesn't have to be rocket science.... We could make it that.. but in all honestly music is not a science. its an art form..
Experiment.. You never know what you will come up with..
You might land on a sound that in 10 years everyone will try to emulate..

muddycreek · #13 07-27-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by allenhf

The 4x10 is currently wired @ 2ohms to get the most power out of my head, but I can re-wire if needed. I had thought about a 2x10, but wasn't sure if it would make a difference tonaly to throw more of the same in the chain. I'm sorry if I come across a little ignorant, I'm a guitar to bass convert and things are a whole lot more simple in the world of guitar amps.

Don't add another cabinet with the way the 410 is currently wired- I'm not aware of a bass head that goes BELOW 2 ohms, which is what you'll be asking it to do. Or rewire the 410 back to 8.

I bet Don at LDS would do a single mid driver with a crossover in a box for you, and it shouldn't be all THAT expensive.

Rick Auricchio · #14 07-27-2010, 08:05 PM

It's a waste of time. The 12 and 10s cover the same range. If you want mids or highs, get a speaker that covers that range.

allenhf · #15 07-28-2010, 08:44 AM

Thanks for the help guys.

woody357 · #16 07-28-2010, 10:40 AM

If you want highs and lows but with less wt, then sell the 410 and buy two 1x12 cabinets, and get the best of both worlds. Want more bottom, buy four 1x12s at 8 ohms, the you can take what you need for the gig, don't need a big set up take one cabinet, need balls to the wall take all four.

Nightlyraider · #17 07-28-2010, 06:20 PM

I don't know about 410 and 112, but 210 and 212 rocks.