5 bands fully parametric under $400, why is it so difficult?

[*insertcoolname]

Like the title says, I'm looking for a five band fully parametric equalizer under $400 in one rack space. I know there are some discontinued units from Rane and Ashly but I've yet to find any available. Help?

[bongomania]

The general consuming public is intimidated by parametric EQ, and the high-end consumers that understand para EQ are buying Neve and other top-price items.

[*insertcoolname]

Originally Posted by bongomania

The general consuming public is intimidated by parametric EQ, and the high-end consumers that understand para EQ are buying Neve and other top-price items.

I feared this much...

[LongHairFreak]

I've nothing to contribute here, unless this is actually your 'Wanted' posting. If this be the case, though this is not the FS forum, I've an Ashly PQ-16 to offer up.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f213/6...l#post10276470

Just PM if interested.

[Alexander Eddy]

I have two in my rack that cost well under $400. Google PEQ2200 - Warning, behringer content. They have been in my rack for years and have never let me down (let's not start another brand bashing thread!

[anonymous122511]

Originally Posted by bongomania

The general consuming public is intimidated by parametric EQ, and the high-end consumers that understand para EQ are buying Neve and other top-price items.

Too bad FMR Audio hasn't done a parametric yet. Still it would likely be more than $400....I don't think that's realistic for anything decent. By way of comparison check out what pro quality units cost: http://www.mercenary.com/eqs.html

[Passinwind]

Originally Posted by *insertcoolname

Like the title says, I'm looking for a five band fully parametric equalizer under $400 in one rack space. I know there are some discontinued units from Rane and Ashly but I've yet to find any available. Help?

How hard are you looking? I found several PQX-571s for under $150 on eBay when I was shopping for my local nightclub.The one I copped was 95 bucks shipped, in completely pristine condition.

[jimbilly]

There's also a Phase Linear E51, that's a nice 5 band parmetric, single rack space.
Looks like this, I think I had just got it home from finding it at a pawn shop, so please don't be critical of the POs settings.

[Boot Soul]

Rane PE17 is a great unit, and very quiet. Very useful high and low band limiting filters in addition to five fully parametric channels, each of which are separately bypassable. Large wall wart power supply is the only negative. On Ebay from time to time under $200.

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trk...All-Categories

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by *insertcoolname

Like the title says, I'm looking for a five band fully parametric equalizer under $400 in one rack space. I know there are some discontinued units from Rane and Ashly but I've yet to find any available. Help?

http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--BEHDSP1124P

How about 24 bands? On the face of it this doesn't appear to be a parametric, but appearances are deceiving. Almost no one who buys one uses it as a feedback destroyer. It literally owns the market in home theater as a parametric. Google 'Behringer FBD' for numerous references, even full sites devoted to its usage.

[steve_rolfeca]

Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--BEHDSP1124P

How about 24 bands? On the face of it this doesn't appear to be a parametric, but appearances are deceiving. Almost no one who buys one uses it as a feedback destroyer. It literally owns the market in home theater as a parametric. Google 'Behringer FBD' for numerous references, even full sites devoted to its usage.

Holy schmoo!

I always assumed that the filters on those things were fixed at 1/60 octave. Just finished reading the documentation, and in manual mode, you can vary the Q on each filter from 1/60 to 2 octaves...

I've never used the Ashley or Rane EQ's. I love the Empress paraEQ pedal for bass, but for anyone like the OP, who needs finer control or more than 3 bands, the Feedback buster could make an interesting alternative to the others.

A stereo pair of 12-band para EQ's, for chump change (about the same as buying a pair of used Presonus mono 3-band parametrics). It's at least worth a look, even if it is Behringer...

[pedulla-2007]

Do not know if it is pe15or 17

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

It's at least worth a look, even if it is Behringer...

Behringer electronics are as good as anyone's. Where they cheap out is with the hardware; you won't find Behringer loaded with Alps pots or Neutrik connectors. So if it has moving parts, as in rotary controls, sliders, or speaker cones, avoid Behringer. If the controls are all push-button you're OK.

[greenboy]

Originally Posted by bongomania

The general consuming public is intimidated by parametric EQ, and the high-end consumers that understand para EQ are buying Neve and other top-price items.

That, and a lot of DSP-based products have crazy parametric AND graphic capabilities.

[greenboy]

DSP-based products are one area Behringer has distinguished itself, and more to their credit, apparently without working off of someone else's IP.

Myself, I've been using Roland, Peavey (same one as Passinwind) and QSC DSP-based products though I've fooled with a couple of Behr pieces. Word is, the cheap-seats Driverack stuff is better than it used to be too.

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by greenboy

DSP-based products are one area Behringer has distinguished itself, and more to their credit, apparently without working off of someone else's IP.

Only because they couldn't.
In the realm of DSP there's very little protected IP, because pretty much everyone uses the same processors, and none are in-house. The processor manufacturers put their applications data into the public domain, because they don't make money from licensing, they make it from selling processors.

[greenboy]

Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

Only because they couldn't.
In the realm of DSP there's very little protected IP, because pretty much everyone uses the same processors, and none are in-house. The processor manufacturers put their applications data into the public domain, because they don't make money from licensing, they make it from selling processors.

Yep. The development model is different. I wonder where the algorithms and implementation came from though ; } - well, not really. There's lots of action these days and plenty of engineering people and code for hire. It does make sense to have someone in-house if your company plans for ongoing R&D in the sector but even then it's not essential.

[Calaverasgrande]

I cant think of any application besides FOH or monitor driverack that woudl require more than 4 bands of parametric. I almost never need more than 3.
Ashlyis great. If you can find an old Furman those a cool. The Intersound IVP-1 is 4 bands but really, really warm and fat sounding. I need to get one of those again.
If I had to have 5 bands for under a grand, http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com...-EQ?sku=182716
If you are concerned about audio quality than limiting yourself to $400 is not realistic.

[Balog]

I recently got a PE 15 and I love it. Very reasonably priced too.

[MNAirHead]

Bill F is correct..
Behringer is OK if you set it and leave it....

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My opinion is that the average player doesn't understand paramatric and will not read the manual.

I have one bass with onboard fully paramatric... it's by far the toughest one I have to setup as different knobs can cancel out the other ones... only bass I've ever owned that I went looking for a manual about the knobs.

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I know our local pro live audio (no they don't sell drums or guitars) has things in stock. I remember a very attractive one being digital with an RTA feature.. was about $400