810 louder than 215 cabinet?

jmpiwonka · #1 08-14-2011, 11:11 AM

Been playing an older mesa boogie cabinet with 2 ev15l's. Just got an svt2 and it not quite loud enough.

Just wondering if an 810 cabinet would work better with that head. I'm cutting back the bass some, turning up the mids a good bit and the treble a little bit.

I know adding another cab would be easiest but keeping it at one cab works best for hauling gear.

Acousticdude · #2 08-14-2011, 11:12 AM

The more 10's the better

lynnchpin · #3 08-14-2011, 11:22 AM

Go to the 810

RickenBoogie · #4 08-14-2011, 11:32 AM

It really depends on which particular 810 you're talking about, but in general, yes, 810 is louder than 215.

brndn123 · #5 08-14-2011, 11:34 AM

Personally, I'd reach for the 412 config, maybe a GK or an Aggie. However, seeing as you are running an Ampeg, be prepared for the 810 suggestion over...and over...and over...and over

...and over again

**B-string** · #6 08-14-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by brndn123

Personally, I'd reach for the 412 config, maybe a GK or an Aggie. However, seeing as you are running an Ampeg, be prepared for the 810 suggestion over...and over...and over...and over

...and over again

Not from me ! The G-K NEO 412 is gold!

Rafael · #7 08-14-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by brndn123

However, seeing as you are running an Ampeg, be prepared for the 810 suggestion over...and over...and over...and over

...and over again

And why not, since that was the original question?

staindbass · #8 08-14-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by B-string

Not from me ! The G-K NEO 412 is gold!

the neo 412 is louder than the 8x10 ?

grendle · #9 08-14-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by brndn123

Personally, I'd reach for the 412 config, maybe a GK or an Aggie. However, seeing as you are running an Ampeg, be prepared for the 810 suggestion over...and over...and over...and over

...and over again

Unfortunately it just works very well in a live setting.

Electricblue · #10 08-14-2011, 01:02 PM

2 x 10" is equal to a 15". Well, not exactly but it's a good guideline.

For example, a 410 is a good match for a 215. A 115 is a good match for a 210.

Etc etc.

**B-string** · #11 08-14-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by staindbass

the neo 412 is louder than the 8x10 ?

I have not played them side by side with the same amp head. For myself it doesn't matter as the G-K 412 is really loud and to my ears and everyone who hears it sounds much better. My trouble with the 412 is playing quiet, the master is barely on (G-K Fusion 550, dropping the input volume also).............

JimmyM · #12 08-14-2011, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Electricblue

2 x 10" is equal to a 15". Well, not exactly but it's a good guideline.

For example, a 410 is a good match for a 215. A 115 is a good match for a 210.

Etc etc.

As far as air movement goes, this is true. As far as sounding good, it's very unpredictable how good it will sound due to phasing issues, and quite honestly, I've yet to hear a mixed cab rig I've enjoyed.

walterw · #13 08-14-2011, 10:46 PM

i thought he just meant one would hang with the other volume-wise; as far a running them together, yeah, that's often kinda less than the sum of the parts.

i'm a little surprised that a boogie 2x15 isn't loud enough for just about any gig, though. did they usually use the EVM "L"s rather than the "B"s?

scottfeldstein · #14 08-14-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Electricblue

2 x 10" is equal to a 15". Well, not exactly but it's a good guideline.

For example, a 410 is a good match for a 215. A 115 is a good match for a 210.

Etc etc.

And what is a 2x12 roughly equal to? How about a pair of them?

u84six · #15 08-14-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

As far as air movement goes, this is true. As far as sounding good, it's very unpredictable how good it will sound due to phasing issues, and quite honestly, I've yet to hear a mixed cab rig I've enjoyed.

What about cabs with mixed size speakers (e.g. 15/6)?

JimmyM · #16 08-14-2011, 10:55 PM

212 is roughly equal to a 310 or a 1 1/2 15.

Now mind you, accent on the word "roughly." All cabs have to be judged on their own merits, and especially with neo being popular, these rough estimates can be obliterated. The formula for air movement is based on cone size and displacement (xmax), and one with high xmax can outperform one with more normal xmax.

scottfeldstein · #17 08-14-2011, 10:56 PM

I used to enjoy the heck out of my homemade 18 + 2x10 cab.

JimmyM · #18 08-14-2011, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by u84six

What about cabs with mixed size speakers (e.g. 15/6)?

If they are crossed over properly to make sure no frequency bands overlap, then they are fantastic. A bit different voicing than you'll get with more traditional bass cabs, but no less great.

scottfeldstein · #19 08-14-2011, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

212 is roughly equal to a 310 or a 1 1/2 15.

Now mind you, accent on the word "roughly." All cabs have to be judged on their own merits, and especially with neo being popular, these rough estimates can be obliterated. The formula for air movement is based on cone size and displacement (xmax), and one with high xmax can outperform one with more normal xmax.

I'll buy that. Caveats included. Thanks.

Rafael · #20 08-14-2011, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by u84six

What about cabs with mixed size speakers (e.g. 15/6)?

Different animal entirely....running the combination of say 1x15 and a 2x10 usually involves hooking them to the same amplifier output, meaning both combinations get the same signal. This is what leads to the problems people talk about.

However, in a 15/6 cab the two different sized drivers are running through a crossover network so the two drivers are getting different parts of the frequency spectrum. The lows go to the 15 and the mids/highs to the 6" driver, so they aren't in conflict with each other but rather compliment each other.