Acoustic 220 with Acoustic 406(1x18)- Price?

[sonofrust]

How much would this set up be worth, whole or split up? Both work great and look great. The head has a cover. The 406 Transducer Cab has an 1x18 Gauss Speaker in it, not original.
I am planning on a trade and have been researching it but it is hard to find any info on them. I know the cab is kind of rare.
Any info would be a big help. Thanks.

[Steveaux]

Post #8 ...

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=166101

[sonofrust]

So...I can't get information about vintage bass gear from a bass gear site because i am not a supporting member? Interesting...

I am not selling here just trying to find out where to get a value of the amp with a little info.

[BassmanPaul]

Originally Posted by sonofrust

So...I can't get information about vintage bass gear from a bass gear site because i am not a supporting member? Interesting...

For this site to even exist costs a lot of money and heaps of TLC. There has to be rules by which the membership must abide. Anything less would be anarchy!

Much of the advice given here comes from folk who are professionals in their field. To support the site is not too much to ask for a resource of this caliber. To expect something for nothing is, unfortunately, far too prevalent in todays world.

[sonofrust]

ok. well ....thanks.

I posted a thread up here last week asking about this trade that i may do with a guy for a Peavey Firebass or a Carvin Pro Bass 300 and i didn't get "flagged" for it. Do you get one post free and the rest will cost? Please explain...

Do you guys know that you "Google" info on amps and it sends you here for free and you can register a user name for free as well? You should probably ask for some dough up front.

[Thornton Davis]

I'll let you in on a little secret, the Acoustic 406 is a 2x15" reflex cabinet, not 1x18". And the 220 head is rated at 125 watts RMS.

As for value, good luck.

TD

[detroit slim]

Originally Posted by sonofrust

How much would this set up be worth, whole or split up? Both work great and look great. The head has a cover. The 406 Transducer Cab has an 1x18 Gauss Speaker in it, not original.
I am planning on a trade and have been researching it but it is hard to find any info on them. I know the cab is kind of rare.
Any info would be a big help. Thanks.

Hey Bro, private message me in response to this

[sonofrust]

Mr Davis-
In 1973, the 406 Transducer was a 1x18. I have it. Later on(1978?) Acoustic made the 2x15 wide and the 2x15 narrow (obviously different widths of cabinet tops). Why they used the same number for two VERY different cabs is beyond me, but those facts i know to be true. I know of one other '73 406 cab and it belongs to the guy that wants to trade some equipment for it several states away. Also depending on what year the 220 is from depends on the wattage. it could be 125 or 150.
I was hoping to find somebody who knew more about the actual manufacturing of the cabs and heads. I would love to get an exact date on the head to find out the true wattage and maybe some history on why the cab changed size.
Kinda figured this was a good place to start....

[sonofrust]

here is what little info i have on the cab:
http://acoustic.homeunix.net/twiki/b...BassCabinet406

They originally had Cerwin Vega speakers in them but mine has been exchanged(not by me) for a Gauss.

[NecroticImbecil]

From what I've seen, vintage Acoustic gear is either dirt cheap or costs more than a car, and there isn't always any sense to it. The famous models tend to go for more, but even the 360 rig can be found for a few hundred one day, and 2 thousand the next.

The rig you are looking at isn't famous, so I'd guess dirt cheap. The only reference I can give is the 320/408 rig I had. Not famous, but among the best Acoustic produced, relatively high wattage (for Acoustic) with 2 channels, full controls for both, 3 effects loops, graphic EQ. The 408 is their legendary 4X15. After trying for months they finally sold for around $400 combined. Excellent condition, clean and well taken care of.

[Thornton Davis]

Originally Posted by sonofrust

Mr Davis-
In 1973, the 406 Transducer was a 1x18. I have it. Later on(1978?) Acoustic made the 2x15 wide and the 2x15 narrow (obviously different widths of cabinet tops). Why they used the same number for two VERY different cabs is beyond me, but those facts i know to be true. I know of one other '73 406 cab and it belongs to the guy that wants to trade some equipment for it several states away. Also depending on what year the 220 is from depends on the wattage. it could be 125 or 150.
I was hoping to find somebody who knew more about the actual manufacturing of the cabs and heads. I would love to get an exact date on the head to find out the true wattage and maybe some history on why the cab changed size.
Kinda figured this was a good place to start....

FWIW, this is a shot from the Acoustic 1979/80 brochure showing the 220 and 406 together. I've cropped out the product ratings and specs for both, but they're there. You can PM me if you're interested in them.



I find it hard to believe that Acoustic would design and manufacture two very different cabinets and give them the same model designation. But stranger things than this have happened before.

TD

[BassmanPaul]

Originally Posted by sonofrust

ok. well ....thanks.

I posted a thread up here last week asking about this trade that i may do with a guy for a Peavey Firebass or a Carvin Pro Bass 300 and i didn't get "flagged" for it. Do you get one post free and the rest will cost? Please explain...

Do you guys know that you "Google" info on amps and it sends you here for free and you can register a user name for free as well? You should probably ask for some dough up front.

If you wish to ask about trades that's one thing. Posting like you did is another and could be taken as an advert for the gear you are wanting to sell.

The rules are set by the administrators and have nothing to do with me personally. I'm just a member the same as you.

[elwaupo]

I own 2/220s and 1/406, they are great amplifiers! I used (and still use) the set for years, great vintage sound. the one on the right that Thornton Davis posted is mine. I've seen this set up go fairly cheap on ebay, $400-$500. I thought the 220 was rated around 300-350 watts. I can say you'll never run out of volume with this amp, crystal clear.

[Thornton Davis]

Originally Posted by elwaupo

I thought the 220 was rated around 300-350 watts. I can say you'll never run out of volume with this amp, crystal clear.

Perhaps you're thinking of Acoustic's Model 320 amp.

The spec of the 320 is as follows (taken directly from Acoustic's 1979/80 product brochure);

160 watts RMS @ 5% THD into 4 OHMS.

300 watts RMS @ 5% THD into 2 OHMS.



The spec of the 220 is as follows (taken directly from Acoustic's 1979/80 product brochure);

125 watts RMS @ 5% THD into 4 OHMS.

160 watts RMS @ 5% THD into 2 OHMS.

The 406 pictured above is a 4 ohm cabinet and rated @ 200 watts Maximum Amplifier Output. And it weights 130 lbs.

I owned the 220/406 combination pictured on the right above during the late 70's and into the early 80's. I found it to be fine for most gigs until pushed then it would break up and distort and couldn't keep up. Ultimately I went back to my tube rig which I found had far more headroom. But I still have the brochure that came with the 220/406 amp.

TD

[sonofrust]

On the back of the 220 by the power cord it does read "350 watts." That is the power consumption, I believe(correct me if i am wrong folks). That is how much power it draws to operate the head. Very misleading as it does not say the actual rating anywhere else on the head.

Thorton Davis-I have seen that brochure actually! It does boggle the mind as to why the cabs were numbered alike though completely different animals. Also strange as to why the heads gained wattage and remained the same model number. I really hoped one of the builders or designers may be trolling around this site.The link i posted will take you to an Acoustic "historical" site. Check out the the dates pre and post 1979. Crazy stuff...

As for selling this stuff here...this cab is a big as a refrigerator! I wouldn't attempt to ship this thing! If you guys read the original post, i was clearly looking for more info(most of which i received from the guy that wants to trade) and obviously on a vintage piece, the value of the amp is good to know. I understand your rules. I understand how you pay the bills on this site. Understand that I have no intentions of peddling anything on here. I thank you all for the info you provided.

Detroit Slim - I tried to PM you last nite. not sure if i did it right. But i do look forward to talking with you.

[woody357]

Hey Sonofrust try this site for info. http://acoustic.homeunix.net/twiki/b...oustic/WebHome

[sonofrust]

Originally Posted by woody357

Hey Sonofrust try this site for info. http://acoustic.homeunix.net/twiki/b...oustic/WebHome

thanks woody- thats the site i linked to earlier in this thread. lots of cool stuff there! There is not too much more info out there though. The guy that wants to swap for my amp gave me this site to check out as well. He has a 406 Transducer cab with a 1x18 Cerwin Vega in it, which i believe to be the original speaker. Thanks and good looking out.

[woody357]

Originally Posted by sonofrust

thanks woody- thats the site i linked to earlier in this thread. lots of cool stuff there! There is not too much more info out there though. The guy that wants to swap for my amp gave me this site to check out as well. He has a 406 Transducer cab with a 1x18 Cerwin Vega in it, which i believe to be the original speaker. Thanks and good looking out.

Sorry I should have checked what link you had posted. I don't know anything about that cabinet I have the 301 and that has a rear mounted Cerwin Vega 1x18 in it. Sorry I could not be more help to you.

[NecroticImbecil]

Originally Posted by Thornton Davis

Perhaps you're thinking of Acoustic's Model 320 amp.

The spec of the 320 is as follows (taken directly from Acoustic's 1979/80 product brochure);

160 watts RMS @ 5% THD into 4 OHMS.

300 watts RMS @ 5% THD into 2 OHMS.



The spec of the 220 is as follows (taken directly from Acoustic's 1979/80 product brochure);

125 watts RMS @ 5% THD into 4 OHMS.

160 watts RMS @ 5% THD into 2 OHMS.

The 406 pictured above is a 4 ohm cabinet and rated @ 200 watts Maximum Amplifier Output. And it weights 130 lbs.

I owned the 220/406 combination pictured on the right above during the late 70's and into the early 80's. I found it to be fine for most gigs until pushed then it would break up and distort and couldn't keep up. Ultimately I went back to my tube rig which I found had far more headroom. But I still have the brochure that came with the 220/406 amp.

TD

The 320 was sweet, but needed an efficient cab I think. The modern, high wattage cabs I tried it with didn't work out so well, had to really crank the amp to get the speakers moving and at that point it was distortion city. A nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. At 2 Ohms with the 408 it stayed clean. Ultimately I ran out of space, and it didn't have tubes so it had to go.

[sonofrust]

406 Transducer 1x18 cab with the 220

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/h...d/_MG_2346.jpg