The Acoustic Amp Club - Third Time's A Charmer

[map34157]

Originally Posted by Jazz_bass2664

Killer! How does the 330 compare to the 320?

Not sure yet...it's in the mail.

[Jazz_bass2664]

Ahh I see. Probably will be killer Nontheless. All that old acoustic stuff is great.

[Tvrtko]

Originally Posted by Jazz_bass2664

Killer! How does the 330 compare to the 320?

It is the same amp, except 330 has reverb. That's all.

[jj4001]

Originally Posted by Tvrtko

It is the same amp, except 330 has reverb. That's all.

I believe it also has distortion, like the 230.

[JacklegBass]

Originally Posted by Jazz_bass2664

Killer! How does the 330 compare to the 320?

The power amp, EQ, summing amp, and upper preamp board are all identical in the 320 and 330. The lower preamp board in the 330 is different, since it contains additional components for handling the reverb and master volume, which are features that the 320 don't have. The master volume circuit can be used to add grit and distortion.

The 330's lower preamp board is also nearly identical to the single preamp board in the 230, except the one in the 330 has additional components needed to enable assigning reverb and master volume features to either A or B channel.

[Beersurgeon]

Originally Posted by jeffgnr90

I gotchya and thanks for the response! What kind of music do you play and how does it sit in a mix if ya don't mind me asking

Hi,

I play a indie/rock type music. The amp mixes well with haven't been able to push it to it's full potential, I haven't needed to turned the volume beyond half. Most clubs I play at have a PA so I use the DI often with getting an awesome FOH sound. When I don't have a PA, having the volume at half, I have vibrated the stage with every note. For me, my amp is perfect.

[tabdog]

Originally Posted by ERIC31

There's a screaming deal on the Acoustic B115 cabinets right now for $120. I wanted to buy 2 of them to run with my GK Backline 300/4ohm head.

What do you guys think of that? Will this peel paint off the walls or what?

I couldn't resist. I bought one and it's
on the way.

I am going to try it out with a Fender
1X12 cab and a Rumble 350 head,



Tabdog

[waynearcuri]

Good Day All I have 2 Neo115 cabs with a B600H and I gig with a Epiphone Rivoli single neck pickup bass and just one Cab...I get tons on compliments on the tone of the guitar and rig and play with a Chicago Style Blues Band.."The Chuck Beattie Band" out of Asheville NC. I loove this set up...Thanks Wayne

[tabdog]

I got a B115 MKII today.

Here it is topped off with a Fender M-80 1X12
and a Fender Rumble 350 head,



Tabdog

[Nacho-Dread]

I've just got my hands into a 1979 Acoustic 330 head! It's the guitar version, the one that Jaco used to play in several shows. It's tone is freaking amazing, tons of volume and I can get a great distortion sound by cracking the volume all to the top in one channel and with the master control regulate the output as I drag a clean sound with tons of low from the other channel. I love this amp, I use it with a 2x15 cabinet with 300w celestion speakers so it can handle 600 watts.
My main doubt/question comes when I have to play a gig, since it´s a vintage amp and a guitar one I don´t have a DI output on the rear pannel so I would like to know how to proceed. At the end of my pedalboard I have an Aguilar Tone Hammer but I think I´m going to remove all pedals, just my 1983 Precision bass directly into the Acoustic head.
Any ideas? Mic the cab? Run a DI box before getting into the cab? Or is it possible to run a DI box between the cab and the head?
Any ideas or suggestions will be really appreciated.
Thanks!!

[NickTej22]

I don't know if I count because I have the GC version?

[sturoc]

Originally Posted by Nacho-Dread

I've just got my hands into a 1979 Acoustic 330 head! It's the guitar version, the one that Jaco used to play in several shows. It's tone is freaking amazing, tons of volume and I can get a great distortion sound by cracking the volume all to the top in one channel and with the master control regulate the output as I drag a clean sound with tons of low from the other channel. I love this amp, I use it with a 2x15 cabinet with 300w celestion speakers so it can handle 600 watts.
My main doubt/question comes when I have to play a gig, since it´s a vintage amp and a guitar one I don´t have a DI output on the rear pannel so I would like to know how to proceed. At the end of my pedalboard I have an Aguilar Tone Hammer but I think I´m going to remove all pedals, just my 1983 Precision bass directly into the Acoustic head.
Any ideas? Mic the cab? Run a DI box before getting into the cab? Or is it possible to run a DI box between the cab and the head?
Any ideas or suggestions will be really appreciated.
Thanks!!

Pedals or no pedals You run a DI BEFORE the Amp.
Never between Amp and Spkr cab

I am of the school of when using vintage amps with cabs to mic the cab in order to get the nice tone.
Our engineer likes to do both:
Bass to DI and also mic'ing the cab, best of both worlds and he can mix straight and vintage together as needed.

[johnk_10]

Originally Posted by sturoc

Pedals or no pedals You run a DI BEFORE the Amp.
Never between Amp and Spkr cab

actually, there are many that allow the DI to use the speaker output, (not between the speaker and cab though), but I never use mine that way (IMO, it seems kinda dangerous to use it that way).

[lfh]

Originally Posted by johnk_10

actually, there are many that allow the DI to use the speaker output, (not between the speaker and cab though), but I never use mine that way (IMO, it seems kinda dangerous to use it that way).

Why should that be a problem? A simple high impedance voltage divider or appropriately selected transformer in parallel with the speaker load gives you the desired low level signal.

[lfh]

Originally Posted by sturoc

Pedals or no pedals You run a DI BEFORE the Amp.
Never between Amp and Spkr cab

I am of the school of when using vintage amps with cabs to mic the cab in order to get the nice tone.
Our engineer likes to do both:
Bass to DI and also mic'ing the cab, best of both worlds and he can mix straight and vintage together as needed.

All the following possibilities are viable options depending on the situation, your needs/preferences:

DI before amp
DI from pre-amp, pre EQ
DI from pre-amp, post EQ
DI from power amp (only some DI boxes designed for this)
Mic the cab

Sound men often prefer to get a signal pre EQ, so they have independent control of this for FOH. If OTOH the amp and specific EQ of choice, possibly power amp distortion etc, is an integral part of the sound, it's better to mic the cab like you say, or tap off the power amp.

[JacklegBass]

Originally Posted by Nacho-Dread

I've just got my hands into a 1979 Acoustic 330 head!

Congrats, the 330 is my favorite Acoustic Control generation-3 head. Very rare beast.

Originally Posted by Nacho-Dread

Any ideas? Mic the cab? Run a DI box before getting into the cab? Or is it possible to run a DI box between the cab and the head?
Any ideas or suggestions will be really appreciated.
Thanks!!

You just need a DI box with a 1/4" input and a 1/4" straight-thru output in addition to the XLR output. You would feed the signal into the DI input from the 330's Preamp Combined Out rear panel jack, and then reinsert the thru output signal from the DI into the Preamp Combined In jack.

You could also do something similar with the Channel A or Channel B Preamp Out/In jacks, but then you'd lose your channel switching.

All this applies to an Acoustic Model 320 too, in case anybody is wondering.

[sturoc]

Based on the OP's choice to maintain the tone etc from the amp /cab set up. Using a DI in between amp and cab will create a different coloring of sound.
As a rule I stay away from this type of set up.

The Countryman 85, along with certain models from Palmer, Whirlwind will run this way but again driving the speakers also contribute to his tone created.
If your sound is part of the bands overall uniqueness, and why wouldn't be, Di'ing to the PA is not desirable.


DI (prior to amp) and or Mic on cab, for a simple low cost solution to maintaining 'your' sound.

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[JacklegBass]

I interpreted the OP's post a little differently... He made a point of saying that the 330 doesn't have a back panel DI, as if that would have been ideal for him. Using a straight-thru DI (such as a Radial JDI or similar) patched to the Preamp Combined jacks on the rear panel would be equivalent to a built-in post-processing DI. It taps the signal after the awesome sounding master volume distortion circuit and the A/B channel mixing that makes this amp (and the 320) so incredible and unique. A DI ahead of the amp would lose all that. Fortunately Acoustic had the foresight to provide those rear panel jacks which are there by design just for patching-in external accessories between the preamp summing amp output and the power amp input.

If he does want some sound off of the cabinet, he could always blend a little bit of mic'd sound with his DI'd preamp output. But my guess is that he'll be happy with the combined preamp output now that he's learned how to use all the 330's capabilities.

[jj4001]

Question for Jackleg, or anyone else who may be able to help. This subject is also of huge intetest to me.

I have a recurring problem using the "preamp combined out" for DI use with my 320. Most of the time, lately, trying to take a DI signal off of that jack will cause the amp to make this awful "da da da da da da" sound. The signal is still coming from the bass at about the same volume as this awful noise. Is this happening because of the type of DI (active or passive)? Or is it because I'm not running the signal back into the power amp from the DI? Or, is there an issue with the amp itself?

This never used to be a problem. In the past, I'd always have the soundman take a DI signal off the "preamp combined" jack without any issues, now it almost never works. It's gotten so frustrating with so many soundtechs refusing to mic the cab that I've given up on using my bass' stereo jack and just use my 370 instead. If anyone can help me get to the bottom of this, it would really help.