Advice on adding 2nd cab!!!

[jacobrownoly]

Hi, I own a GK 1001 rb II with one single 4x10 GK RBX (8 ohms 400watts) I am very happy with the my current set up but I think I am ready to add another GK cab just so that I can get the full 4 ohms of 700 watts out of the GK head

I thought about adding a 1x15 cab but I have read that mixing speaker sizes is not the best way to go

I play mostly rock with a little funk so I am am looking for more volume (from getting the full 4 ohms) along with punch and bottom end

So I have concluded that I don't want another 4x10 and I am more towards looking into getting the GK rbx 2x10.

Can any one give me some advice with what my best option should be?

Thanks again

[RickenBoogie]

The "best" option is in fact, an identical 410 to what you're already using. A 210 could work, I've done it, and so have others here, but the 210 will typically only "take" half of what the 410 will, so you're limited to what the 210 can do, which won't be a significant gain from the 410 alone.
Alot of players do the 410/15 thing, but it's the same as the 210 scenario, you're limited then to what the 15 can do. A 15 and a 210 is a good match, (typically), but the reality is, 2x 410's will give you more of what you have, and more than likely equal MORE than the sum of the parts.

[jacobrownoly]

Another 410 for me is kinda of out of the question because I have quite a small car and its hard enough getting the one in.

My theory at first was get the classic 410 115 set up...but I am now put off with that because of things that I have read.

Now my thinking was getting a 210 to play at smaller shows and then using the 410 and 210 together getting my full 700 watts if needed

Surly by adding a 210 to a 410 would increase the volume quite a bit since you are now making it a 4 ohm load (700watts) instead of the 410 alone (8 ohms 480 watts)

Thanks again!

[RickenBoogie]

Yes, it will increase your volume, moreso because you're now using 6 10's instaead of 4 than the wattage increase. It's just that, the limit to what your rig can do will be determined by what the 210 can do on it's own. The wattage increase alone won't be that noticeable.

[Bass_Pounder]

Originally Posted by RickenBoogie

Yes, it will increase your volume, moreso because you're now using 6 10's instaead of 4 than the wattage increase. It's just that, the limit to what your rig can do will be determined by what the 210 can do on it's own. The wattage increase alone won't be that noticeable.

+1

When you add the 2X10 to the mix, you will have the ability of getting the "full" 700 watts.

However, it is split evenly between the 2 cabs, meaning each gets a potential 350 watts.

If your 2X10 cannot handle the whole 350 watts before farting out (remember the wattage rating of the cab is only a THERMAL rating, not what it will do depending on your EQ'ing), then you will be limited to 2X what your 2X10 can REALLY handle.

Ex. - you find the 2X10 can really only take 200 watts before showing signs of distress. This means you are limited to 400 watt output.

[jacobrownoly]

Right ok, the GK 210 or 115 is the only two options that I have at the minute, which one who you recommend in terms of volume and tone, I already get a good tone with the 410 and I was also surprised to how much bass I got within it

I think its just a case of making up the full 4ohms, also I full rigs looks a lot better!

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by jacobrownoly

Right ok, the GK 210 or 115 is the only two options that I have at the minute, which one who you recommend in terms of volume and tone, I already get a good tone with the 410 and I was also surprised to how much bass I got within it

I think its just a case of making up the full 4ohms, also I full rigs looks a lot better!

Getting to a 4 ohm load is a wasted effort, as the difference in output related to the increased power output is slight. What will give extra output is the added sensitivity from adding the second cab. A 16 ohm 210 would do the trick nicely, that way the six drivers each receive the same power. I doubt that G-K sells one, but if they sell a 4 ohm 2x10 it could be rewired to 16 ohms. If they don't sell a 4 ohm 2x10 find someone who does.

[Jim Campbell]

Originally Posted by RickenBoogie

The "best" option is in fact, an identical 410 to what you're already using. A 210 could work, I've done it, and so have others here, but the 210 will typically only "take" half of what the 410 will, so you're limited to what the 210 can do, which won't be a significant gain from the 410 alone.
Alot of players do the 410/15 thing, but it's the same as the 210 scenario, you're limited then to what the 15 can do. A 15 and a 210 is a good match, (typically), but the reality is, 2x 410's will give you more of what you have, and more than likely equal MORE than the sum of the parts.

this is your best option

Originally Posted by RickenBoogie

Yes, it will increase your volume, moreso because you're now using 6 10's instaead of 4 than the wattage increase. It's just that, the limit to what your rig can do will be determined by what the 210 can do on it's own. The wattage increase alone won't be that noticeable.

Originally Posted by jacobrownoly

Right ok, the GK 210 or 115 is the only two options that I have at the minute, which one who you recommend in terms of volume and tone, I already get a good tone with the 410 and I was also surprised to how much bass I got within it

I think its just a case of making up the full 4ohms, also I full rigs looks a lot better!

if you can stuff a 1x15 into your car then a 4x10 should fit......as stated the output of your current 4x10 will be limited by the capabilities of the 2x10 or 1x15.....if you want 6x10's you would be better off buying a 6x10 4 ohm cab.....

[Jaco who?]

I go for a pair of the lightest cabs I can get away with that can also be used by themselves.

I'd be tempted to sell/trade your 4x10 in on a pair of the 2x12 Neos. Your current 4x10 is probably loud enough to do 90% of the stuff I do, and, true, another 4x10 would be incredibly loud for that other 10%, but I'm a lazy old far* that hates needlessly lugging gear around.

[David1234]

Extra sensitivity is better than extra watts. You might wish to consider moving from the RBX to an RBH cab. The RBH has greater sensitivity than the RBX:
3dB more sensitivity = the same increase as giving a cab twice as many watts, but without the fear of hurting the cabinet.

[BurningSkies]

Gotta get all me watts!

If you're looking at a 115 because it will be smaller, keep in mind that if it is smaller it will also lack the lows you may want. I agree with what everyone here has said, and I think that Bill has come up with a good solution that not many people have hit upon. While 16ohm bass cabs are pretty non-existent, re-wiring a 4ohm cab is very easy.

[RickenBoogie]

Excellent point by BFM, the 16 ohm 2x10. That set up cures all ills. As well as just getting a 4 0hm 6x10.

[ErnieD]

I have a couple amps that do 2 ohms, so some gigs I use a 8 ohm Eden 210xlt w/Eden 4 ohm, 410xlt, so all drivers can get equal power. This works real well, I just find that lately, the 410xlt is quite enough even with just a MB F1 or LMII @ 500 watts. Might have some bigger outdoor summer gigs that I can use the 610 setup.

Also, adding that VT pedal seems to really have livened up my tone and seems to make it bigger/louder with any of my single cabs, 410 or 212's just sound nicer.

[anonymous101511]

I can vouch for the 12" neo cabs. 2 of the 2x12" cabs would be great if it possible for you, Very light and compact. Alternately, I use 2 single 15" neo cabs ( sometimes just one for a small club gig!) and love the response with the 1001 head. They are really light, too!

[jacobrownoly]

Ok but if I have the choice of either a GK 1x15 or GK 2x10, which one would be best suited to my GK 4x10 in terms of volume and tone.

Thanks again!

[canadian*eh]

Originally Posted by jacobrownoly

Ok but if I have the choice of either a GK 1x15 or GK 2x10, which one would be best suited to my GK 4x10 in terms of volume and tone.

Thanks again!

Well Mate like everyone one else said another 410 would be the way to go....i have ran most all the different setups you can get.. whether it be a 210/115, 210/410, 210/210, 410/115 and now i use a 410/410 setup which is by far the best as far as volume and low end punch..... But if you as set on adding ether a 210 or 115 i would say go with the 15!! It will handle the low end a bit better then the 210 and if you are going to be adding 350 watts to each cab much better to split the watts with a 15 then with a 210. 10's dont take much power to get then to work good a lager speaker like a 15 needs a bit more power to push it...and like others have stated you really dont want to go with a 210/410 setup if each cab is rated 8 ohms...if a person is to go that way then the want an amp that can handle a 2.6 ohm loaded and run a 4 ohm 410 and a 8 ohm 210 so that each speaker gets equal power. The only other suggestion i could give you is if you are happy with just one 410 ...then just get your self a 4 ohm RBH or SWR Goliath(which is what i happen to like using) then atlest you get the full power out of your amp!!! Best Of Luck Cheers Mate!!~Elliot

[RickenBoogie]

Originally Posted by jacobrownoly

Ok but if I have the choice of either a GK 1x15 or GK 2x10, which one would be best suited to my GK 4x10 in terms of volume and tone.

Thanks again!

Why are you limited to only those 2 choices? Neither one will be optimal, and you've gotten alot of great advice here. Not gonna take it?

[BurningSkies]

Originally Posted by RickenBoogie

Why are you limited to only those 2 choices? Neither one will be optimal, and you've gotten alot of great advice here. Not gonna take it?

I vote for neither.