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Old 06-12-2012, 12:26 AM
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Aggressive pre-amps to juice up my rig.

I've been on a quest to get a more aggressive sound while still maintaining clarity. Granted, this is something I notice more the newer the music is. I'm assuming it has to do with some new technology, whether it be compressors or a digital recording media.

Anyways, I recently received an EBMM Stingray 5 as my graduation present. Last Christmas I also got a Gallien Krueger 400 RB-II and a GK MB400 410 cab.

The head is about to be sent into the shop because it's having problems with the input jack, so I haven't been able to try it out with the Stingray.

I have noticed the Stingray has an awesome tone with my Acoustic combo, so I can only imagine it will with the GK as well. However, I don't know if the tone I want to get can come from a clean solid state amp without a little assistance.

I am looking for a very aggressive modern tone with lots of bite and growl without ever getting too much fuzz. The Stingray can be coaxed into being one of the most aggressive basses I can think of (on par with Warwick/Spector and beaten only by maybe a Wal) and I hear GK reputed as doing the same in the solid state amp world.

Examples of what I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGqPiqIRbYw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fia3HCuZgYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roZbgp3W51A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-59flKkZfTk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txBfhpm1jI0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQMPX5GTb_I

Obviously, that's a fairly broad group of tones that are all fairly related. I'm not overly picky and not attached to one specific sound that I have to have. However, the closer I can get to any one of those and the more I can replicate (especially going from something on opposite ends like the avenged Sevenfold to Katatonia) the better. There are lots of other bands that I like that I wouldn't mind sounding like, but in the end I'll still have my own tone.


I tend to like up to a dirty high gain, and I sometimes use very high fuzz (for Cliff Burton and Flea type stuff) but I tend to avoid straight distortion. 9 times out of 10, it muddies the bass line up unless used very sparingly, in which case I'd rather just get it from a high gain.


Anyways, I've been considering Sansamp. The programmable DI would be awesome, but I've also been considering the RBI, as a rackmount seems convenient.

I also saw somebody on my local craigslist selling an Ampeg SVP, and after doing some research (I'd never heard of it) it sounded like something that would be pretty cool. They were selling it for $300.


Also, I don't have a ton of money to spend. I'm going to start teaching bass lessons soon since I'm freshly out of school, and I'll be saving some of that money for gear. Money is definitely a factor, though I won't buy cheap if it sounds cheap.

Also, I have the Line 6 Toneport and POD Farm, and while it's a really cool device, I could get many of my sounds to "pretty close" but none of them to "awesome". If that makes any sense. It just doesn't sound quite like I'd want it to, so I'm thinking a POD isn't the answer.

If you can add clips, that would be awesome!
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:41 AM
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Ive always been a fan of the sans-amp bddi. Can give me dirt when I need it without using my distortion or fuzz pedals. Also if you keep your eyes open there is a programmable model which would allow you to switch between the tones you mentioned pretty easily and sometimes you can get good deals on them used.

Others I've used not so much as pres but work for getting grit is the wren and cuff phat phuck b it's a geranium boost pedal that adds a nice amount of grit the more you dig in on the bass.
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Ive always been a fan of the sans-amp bddi. Can give me dirt when I need it without using my distortion or fuzz pedals. Also if you keep your eyes open there is a programmable model which would allow you to switch between the tones you mentioned pretty easily and sometimes you can get good deals on them used.

Others I've used not so much as pres but work for getting grit is the wren and cuff phat phuck b it's a geranium boost pedal that adds a nice amount of grit the more you dig in on the bass.
Awesome! Does it work kind of like a filter that way? Or is it just a gain setting?
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:18 AM
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It's add color but not too much mostly just a gritty boost pedal. It makes most other pedals sound better IMO as well.

Edit http://wrenandcuff.com/site/the-stom...uitar-booster/
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:49 AM
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I like the MXR M80 a lot......has a decent dirty with a blend......you can dial in most a pretty decent agressive modern tone quickly with the 3 band eq and the dirt/blend. I've tried the bass driver (owned all 3 models) and the VT (V1 and the deluxe) and always went back to the M80.......but I like that agressive tone a lot.

SVP for $300 is a good price too BTW. Awesome preamp. Worth checking out for sure.
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:51 AM
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:54 AM
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I agree with the Phat Phuk B adding a bit of edge to one's tone. It's subtle, but it might be exactly what you need. They can be found for around $130 used here on TB.
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:24 AM
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I'd go for the Ampeg SVP. That seems like a good deal to me.

Why simulate ampeg with a VT when you can have the real thing.
(I have both)
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:27 AM
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Eden Navigators are great for modern tones as well
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:28 PM
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Save yourself the headache of fiddling around with separate amps and preamps etc.....just go buy an SVT and 8x10. Job done.
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Save yourself the headache of fiddling around with separate amps and preamps etc.....just go buy an SVT and 8x10. Job done.
I suppose you want to give me the 2 grand and help me move it from place to place?
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Save yourself the headache of fiddling around with separate amps and preamps etc.....just go buy an SVT and 8x10. Job done.
You get this suggestion a lot on bass forums, but IMEs that setup is one of the least punchy rigs I have ever used.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:19 PM
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You get this suggestion a lot on bass forums, but IMEs that setup is one of the least punchy rigs I have ever used.
If you are looking for a more aggressive rock sound it still remains the industry standard on stage more than any other. If it wasn't punchy people and studios would not be using them to the extent they do. Failing that I would suggest Aguilar DB751 or 400 watt Reeves. Also Aguilar AG500 with overdrive circuit if you want solid state
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:21 PM
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I'm not looking for a new amp. If i were going to spend that kind of money, it would probably be Mesa.

As far as the Ampeg, while some of the tones aree awesome, most of are too muddy and thumpy for my taste.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:22 PM
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Also, something that doesn't weigh 90 pounds would be nice
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:17 AM
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Metal bass eh? I'll throw my two cents in. I think you said you're using a GK head?

Try and find yourself an older GK RBX, which were sealed cabinets, which have a tighter response (like the ampeg SVT). I think I remember seeing an RBX810 used in excellent condition on www.used.guitarcenter.com
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:34 AM
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Before adding anything, definitely try out the whole setup and see what you get. Based on the tone you describe, you should be able to get very close without any added assistance.

Crank up the boost on the GK too...
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:42 AM
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You get this suggestion a lot on bass forums, but IMEs that setup is one of the least punchy rigs I have ever used.
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As far as the Ampeg, while some of the tones aree awesome, most of are too muddy and thumpy for my taste.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lktGcC31cp8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icJW1_YQ2CA

Sometimes I hear comments like this, and I wonder if I'm on drugs because these comments seem to be taken as gospel by a whole lot of bassists. And then I hear clips like these and realize it ain't me who's on drugs

The heavy part...now that one I agree with
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