Aguilar GS112 with Eden D112XLT

[Mike Nunez]

Hi guys:

I wonder if any of you have tried matching an Eden D112XLT and an Aggie GS112 as a mini rig. I'm concerned the difference in sensitivity will make the Aguilar sound too low by comparison. (103db vs 95db)

I'm currently using an Eden D210XLT with the D112XLT and covers all my gigs, but can't carry that 68 pound beast anymore. Using Eden WT405 head.

There's a local selling the Aggie used and want to hear your opinions.

The Aggie would be sitting horizontal on the floor( floor coupling=more efficiency) with the Eden vertical on top.

Thanks

Mike

[raymondl3]

I have that rig except the Aguilar is a GS112NT (no tweeter). I think they are different sounding bit can't decide which one I like better. How does the 210/112 combination sound?

[Gearhead17]

I am pretty sure the Eden is going to drown out the Aguilar cab quickly. The Aguilar cab is just going to add a muddy tone to the Eden cab. The GS series, if I am not mistaken, are not very present in the midrange, while the Eden XLT cabs are. The Eden is going to win in every category.

But hey, try it out yourself and see what it sounds like. It would be a good learning experience for you.

[raymondl3]

I can't really do a direct comparison because my Aguilar doesn't have a tweeter. I can turn the tweeter all the way down on the Eden, but it is never turned off I've discovered. Having said that, I'd say the Eden has more character than the Aguilar and way more "snarly" mid range. I can get the Aguilar to sound clean. Not so with the Eden. To put it another way, I think that if someone created a virtual cab plug-in for both amps, when you pulled the Eden up you'd say "Oh yeah, that sounds like an Eden." Whereas when you pulled the Aguilar plug-in up you'd most likely say "Hmmm, not sure if that adds enough character for me to use it."

[KJung]

I'm pretty familiar with both those cabs. Interestingly, they both represent the opposite ends of the voicing continuum to me, and to be honest, they are among my least favorite 112's for the opposite reasons.

While I like the Eden 212XLT very much, the 112XLT is so mid present and low end attenuated as to sound quite nasal and 'honky'.. . probably the most extremely mid voiced 112 out there (similar to the little Schroeder 112's). While Eden's published SPL specs are known to be fantasy (even moreso than most companies), the extreme mid voicing and low end attenuation of this particular XLT makes it very loud per watt.

The GS112 is just the opposite... deep lows, a pretty big hole in the upper mids, and a polite mid response in general.

I just can't imagine pairing these two cabs. You would IMO be better off finding two identical 112's that are a bit more evenly voiced (Aguilar DB112's, Epi 112UL's, Berg AE112's, Berg HT112ER's, etc., etc., etc.).

IMO and IME!

[raymondl3]

I tried bi-amping with the WT-800, sending the lows to the Aguilar and everything else to the Eden. I still thought full range sounded better. I also wonder if the differences complement each other or fight each other.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by raymondl3

I tried bi-amping with the WT-800, sending the lows to the Aguilar and everything else to the Eden. I still thought full range sounded better. I wonder too, if the differences complement each other or fight each other.

You probably would not want to biamp any two full range cabs, even if they are voiced differently.

[raymondl3]

The GS112-NT isn't full range. It doesn't have a tweeter.

[KJung]

Not really. By 'full range', I mean cabs that aren't specifically voiced to be subwoofers or mid drivers or tweeters for that matter.

Most modern bass cabs (tweeter or not) cover the vast majority of the bass guitar frequency range, and overlap so much that biamping makes no sense.

Biamping does make 'some sense' when you have dedicated bass, mid and/or treble speakers, like the fEarful type cabs, where the driver is a sort of subwoofer voiced driver, and the midrange speaker is a small 6", optimized for only upper mids.

Two relatively standard 112 cabs (tweeter or no)... not so much. You are basically throwing away the lower end capability of one, and the upper end capability of the other, and in some cases throwing away a lot of power also (i.e., running two 8ohm cabs in dual mono versus bridged mono).

[raymondl3]

That makes sense and is probably why I felt a substantial decrease in volume in bi-amp mode.

[staccatogrowl]

Originally Posted by raymondl3

. . . I can turn the tweeter all the way down on the Eden . . .

You may wish to refrain from turning the tweeter all the way down . . . otherwise, you might burn out the L pad . . .

[raymondl3]

OK. Thanks. Never heard of an L pad. Wish I could disconnect it.

[staccatogrowl]

Maybe you can . . . It might be as simple as removing the L pad fuse . . . However, someone here, or over at the Eden forum, should confirm this . . .