All Genz Benz products on "standby" by Fender ?? - Page 14

arai · #**261** 01-11-2013, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Mike

I have a 30-pound amp from a major manufacturer that's been replaced once under warranty and then repaired under warranty. My backup, a Genz-Benz Streamliner, has never had a problem and has seen more action than my so-called good amp.

And my "micro" amp, which is almost 3 years old now, has been gigged a fair amount and gets used for practice almost every day for an hour or so. I have not had an single problem. It hardly even gets worm after 4 hour gigs. Can't say the same for my old iron beast

wvbass · #**262** 01-11-2013, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by arai

It hardly even gets worm after 4 hour gigs. Can't say the same for my old iron beast

Your other amp has worms?

I wonder if AgedHorse looks at this thread when he needs a good laugh. No information has come in aside from the word from a French store owner and the somebody couldn't get Jeff on the phone. Almost certainly, Fender will roll out some budgeted changes this year. In one direction, there is the Hamer story. In the other, we have new pawnshop basses.

Random thought: I'm kind of hoping Genz gets a chance to improve upon the SWR headlite. That is a platform that could be improved into a great amp. I do have to say, why Fender released a 400w amp into a market where the bar was 500w is puzzling.

arai · #**263** 01-11-2013, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by wvbass

Your other amp has worms?

I play some pretty unsanitary environments

steve_rolfeca · #**264** 01-11-2013, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by odineye

BTW. How in the world can this thread be up to page 13, and there STILL be serious conversation going on???

You call this serious?

johnson79 · #**265** 01-11-2013, 05:06 AM

This thread should be merged with the "Why doesn't everyone play Carvin" thread...

jnewmark · #**266** 01-11-2013, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by odineye

AMEN!!! That really is just soo... so common. I can't wait for the day when all these lazy, short sighted Lemmings wise up and go back to carrying around a SVT CL and a couple of fridges. You know... Like it SHOULD be.

Is this really the case, though ? I must confess that I don't watch a whole lot of TV, especially music videos, or online concerts, etc. Are lightweight bass heads really taking over the bass world, or are they mainly taking over TalkBass ? Locally, the only lightweight bass heads I have seen are the ones I take to a gig. When I do see concert footage, it's usually a stack of some sort, or a bass combo.

nutdog · #**267** 01-11-2013, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jnewmark

Is this really the case, though ? I must confess that I don't watch a whole lot of TV, especially music videos, or online concerts, etc. Are lightweight bass heads really taking over the bass world, or are they mainly taking over TalkBass ? Locally, the only lightweight bass heads I have seen are the ones I take to a gig. When I do see concert footage, it's usually a stack of some sort, or a bass combo.

I don't get out much unless I'm playing but I wheel and deal on craigslist. Several of the bass players I have met are into the lightweight thing. Several are using older heavy stuff because that's what they've had and it's cheap.

Up until 3 years ago I was doing same until my 13 year old 30lb SS amp quit. That head was the replacement for another 30lb head that had to be warranty repaired several times. But even then I needed a rig that would fit in my car. That head with the 2 60lb cabs was the smallest I could find at the time and still get acceptable tone. Replaced with a 5lb head with more power that sounded just fine. I've since had a 40lb cab that could kill that stack.

I checked out the bass rig of one of the most popular wedding bands in the area: Squier 5, Peavey DeltaBass, Mesa 410. Great player filling up the swanky, penthouse private club with full tone that wasn't too loud (no PA).

New Year's Eve we went to a party with another popular local band. They're all old and the bass player is good but I forgot to check out his rig because I'm into PA equipment at the moment. They had a soundman and a bunch of big cabinets (looked like they had them since 1980) in a ballroom. I couldn't help thinking they weren't getting much more sound out of it than we did at a similar gig earlier in the month with a powered sub and 2 powered mains.

Concert footage = roadies. If someone else carries it I don't care how big it is.

fcoda · #**268** 01-11-2013, 06:22 AM

I think lightweight amps and cabs are more popular with those that are playing out and have too transport their rig a few times a week,have limited room in cars,take subways and taxi's to gig in city areas. Playing at a few festivals this summer and I didn't see many lightweight amps , other than my shuttle 9 there was maybe 2 others a markbass and eden. Everyone else was using full sized amps or lead sleds. This was the first years I used the shuttle , last season it was a crown xl602 and sansamp though the same GB 6x10. Sound was actually better with the shuttle.

Rickett Customs · #**269** 01-11-2013, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SactoBass

I heard it was gonna be lesbian nazi hookers who were abducted by aliens and forced into weight loss programs.

Ha, I like the UHF reference......

steve_rolfeca · #**270** 01-11-2013, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by nutdog

...Concert footage = roadies. If someone else carries it I don't care how big it is.

This. TV and stadium rock are all about the visuals. No reason for a micro there, and no relationship to what working stiffs are doing.

Also, sales of micros are being held back, because they are hard to find. In this economy, dealers are staying conservative, and it's easier to sell the value proposition on a big, shiny box.

I had to travel to other cities to get both my micros. In one case, I had to convince the store to become a Genz dealer first!

That said, a lot of people in this area have bought micros after hearing mine (Eden 260, Genz Streamliner 900 and G-K MB800).

dDaddybass · #**271** 01-11-2013, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jnewmark

Is this really the case, though ? I must confess that I don't watch a whole lot of TV, especially music videos, or online concerts, etc. Are lightweight bass heads really taking over the bass world, or are they mainly taking over TalkBass ? Locally, the only lightweight bass heads I have seen are the ones I take to a gig. When I do see concert footage, it's usually a stack of some sort, or a bass combo.

That's because guys that are doing concerts usually have their backline provided. If they were carry their own gear, I bet it would be lighter.

jlepre · #**272** 01-11-2013, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by wvbass

...I wonder if AgedHorse looks at this thread when he needs a good laugh. No information has come in aside from the word from a French store owner and the somebody couldn't get Jeff on the phone. Almost certainly, Fender will roll out some budgeted changes this year. In one direction, there is the Hamer story. In the other, we have new pawnshop basses.

Random thought: I'm kind of hoping Genz gets a chance to improve upon the SWR headlite. That is a platform that could be improved into a great amp. I do have to say, why Fender released a 400w amp into a market where the bar was 500w is puzzling.

+1 A complete WASTE of time.

obimark · #**273** 01-11-2013, 06:39 AM

Also a lot of these bigger concerts are probably rented back line- which in most cases is pretty old stuff.
As a person who carries his own stuff, it will NEVER be a 810 that I have to ask my band members to help with every time. If I can't carry it 100% on my own I don't buy it.

nutdog · #**274** 01-11-2013, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jlepre

+1 A complete WASTE of time.

You have amazing powers of observation.

staccatogrowl · #**275** 01-11-2013, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by wvbass

. . . I wonder if AgedHorse looks at this thread when he needs a good laugh. No information has come in aside from the word from a French store owner and the somebody couldn't get Jeff on the phone. . .

I hope that you are correct, and that your implied assumption "that everything is fine," is entirely correct.

However, I do not think anyone at Genz Benz is laughing at this point.

They have been very diligent in their product development, manufacturing, and customer service. They have been amazing in their endeavor of serving the music community.

There is an old marketing adage that persistent "word of mouth" negativity of one dissatisfied person cannot be overcome with any positive advertising campaign.

Given this, I don't think anyone at Genz Benz could be happy about this thread, or the world's current economic environment.

I wish the best to everyone at Genz Benz, and look forward to their continued health and prosperity.

smcgov · #**276** 01-11-2013, 08:09 AM

I hear they're going away from micro and starting a new line of extra large amps. Competing companies will then be forced to also offer an extra huge cabinet and head lineup, buy a used minivan people.

odineye · #**277** 01-11-2013, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jnewmark

Is this really the case, though ? I must confess that I don't watch a whole lot of TV, especially music videos, or online concerts, etc. Are lightweight bass heads really taking over the bass world, or are they mainly taking over TalkBass ? Locally, the only lightweight bass heads I have seen are the ones I take to a gig. When I do see concert footage, it's usually a stack of some sort, or a bass combo.

Much more so than we common folk would know. In fact, it could be right next to you and you wouldn't even know it, because...

There are even some dressed up as normal sized amps so that they may walk among us and maintain tighter control...

Don't believe me? Here, check out these glasses, they'll reveal the truth.

'That's' how serious I am about this!

odineye · #**278** 01-11-2013, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by smcgov

I hear they're going away from micro and starting a new line of extra large amps. Competing companies will then be forced to also offer an extra huge cabinet and head lineup, buy a used minivan people.

I heard that as well, and that it's some sort of collusion with GM to keep their Suburban sales from falling off.

odineye · #**279** 01-11-2013, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

You call this serious?

Oh, not all of it. But there are still a couple of die hard hangers on.

MetroBass · #**280** 01-11-2013, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by odineye

BTW. How in the world can this thread be up to page 13, and there STILL be serious conversation going on???

We're worried (NOT) about our European bretheren not being able to get their micro amps.

My amps are like my women - I need to be able to carry them around with two hands.