All Genz Benz products on "standby" by Fender ?? - Page 2

Alex1984 · #21 01-07-2013, 01:25 PM

I doubt Fender's dumb enough to do that. Pretty sure GB's pulling in more than Fender Bass Amps.

willsellout · #22 01-07-2013, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by two fingers

Probably just in hang out mode until after NAMM or maybe even switching manufacturers. However, it make absolutely no difference how "awesome" something is unless it turns a profit. Corporations aren't in the business of being awesome. They are in it to make money. I, for one, am OK with that.

Well if more companies went for awesome instead of profit they might not all be going under right now!!!!

guy n. cognito · #23 01-07-2013, 01:46 PM

Isn't it usually JaquoIII-X that starts these types of threads......

willsellout · #24 01-07-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by guy n. cognito

Isn't it usually JaquoIII-X that starts these types of threads......

I wish they had a "like" button for posts.

Jawbone · #25 01-07-2013, 01:59 PM

The lack (by now) of a reliable GB type chiming in makes me wonder. Gibson ought to invest in some of these smaller outfits. The 3.0, 6.0 and 9.0 series were their big push, the x.2 not so much. Clearence on Hello Music not a good thing either.

guy n. cognito · #26 01-07-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jawbone

The lack (by now) of a reliable GB type chiming in makes me wonder. Gibson ought to invest in some of these smaller outfits. The 3.0, 6.0 and 9.0 series were their big push, the x.2 not so much. Clearence on Hello Music not a good thing either.

Yes, because Gibson has such a great track record of buying "smaller outfits."

This post has existed for less than 12 hours.......

Jawbone · #27 01-07-2013, 02:09 PM

Glad you caught the sarcasm.

60bass · #28 01-07-2013, 02:20 PM

Fender did a great job at killing off SUNN! As a current GB owner and lover of their gear I sure hope they don't do the same thing with Genz Benz!

two fingers · #29 01-07-2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by willsellout

Well if more companies went for awesome instead of profit they might not all be going under right now!!!!

Nope. People settle more and more every day. Many can't afford awesome. So companies need to focus on things like cheap, reliable, versatile, etc. In the bass amp world, things like lightweight, powerful, some sort of tube somewhere in the circuit, etc. will sell more amps than does awesome. For many budgets, awesome doesn't even make the list of requirements.

But it would be nothing short of silly for a company to go for "awesome INSTEAD of profit" to use your words. That's not even reality. Tell you what. Why don't YOU start a company that only goes for awesome and doesn't consider profit? You wouldn't make it through the bank door for investors to begin with. But even if by some dumb stroke of luck you got your doors open, your shop floors wouldn't even get dirty before you closed down.

Short version= If GB isn't making any money, it's gotta go. Fender owns the designs and could probably integrate some of the technology into the Fender (or some other) line without having to maintain a separate brand.

willsellout · #30 01-07-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by two fingers

Nope. People settle more and more every day. Many can't afford awesome. So companies need to focus on things like cheap, reliable, versatile, etc. In the bass amp world, things like lightweight, powerful, some sort of tube somewhere in the circuit, etc. will sell more amps than does awesome. For many budgets, awesome doesn't even make the list of requirements.

But it would be nothing short of silly for a company to go for "awesome INSTEAD of profit" to use your words. That's not even reality. Tell you what. Why don't YOU start a company that only goes for awesome and doesn't consider profit? You wouldn't make it through the bank door for investors to begin with. But even if by some dumb stroke of luck you got your doors open, your shop floors wouldn't even get dirty before you closed down.

Short version= If GB isn't making any money, it's gotta go. Fender owns the designs and could probably integrate some of the technology into the Fender (or some other) line without having to maintain a separate brand.

You are a ray of sunshine.

Mastermold · #31 01-07-2013, 02:35 PM

Wasn't there a "Fender is shutting down SWR" thread not long ago?

willsellout · #32 01-07-2013, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mastermold

Wasn't there a "Fender is shutting down SWR" thread not long ago?

Indeed. Apparently Fender is shutting down everyone. I heard that they bought out Thunderfunk just to shut it down.

SteveC · #33 01-07-2013, 02:41 PM

I would hate to see Genz Benz go south. I always get nervous when good "mom and pop" companies get bought out/sell out, however you look at it. Take Eden. Great stuff when being made in Minnesota. As soon as they got bought/sold out it all went south. SWR. Same thing.

I have my Genz Benz amp and love it. Hopefully it will last. Most of my playing is DI/IEM these days but I still practice with my amp and do a few sub gigs with it.

Curious to see where this goes. Always have been and continue to speak highly of Genz Benz, the people and product.

two fingers · #34 01-07-2013, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by willsellout

You are a ray of sunshine.

So you are saying that Fender should do the "right thing" and just keep pouring money into a line that isn't making money because it's AWESOME?????? I don't really know what your are. But sunshine doesn't pay the bills, sugar. Not on planet Earth anyway.

SteveC · #35 01-07-2013, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by willsellout

Indeed. Apparently Fender is shutting down everyone. I heard that they bought out Thunderfunk just to shut it down.

Not much different than Sam's/Wal Mart moving in and taking over in communities. The best way to get rid of the competition isn't being better, it's having more money and either gobbling them up or price wars to shut them down. Either way, you are left as the only game in town and free to do whatever you want.

God Bless America..and short sided, deal hungry american consumers who don't care about anything other than bottom line.

nutdog · #36 01-07-2013, 02:45 PM

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Didn't Aged Horse reply in that thread

Fender replaced him with NewJackass.

soxhats · #37 01-07-2013, 02:46 PM

I'm confused. I thought Fender and GB are sister companies under a conglomerate. Fender can't do anything to GB.

Mastermold · #38 01-07-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by soxhats

I'm confused. I thought Fender and GB are sister companies under a conglomerate. Fender can't do anything to GB.

Found this:

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Originally Posted by hasbeen

a little clarification here that might seem trivial, but it is not.

Genz Benz is not owned by Fender....it is owned by FMIC.

FMIC owns Fender on one side and KMC (who owns GB) on the other.

Different sales, marketing and managment teams. Thuis has been the case for the last four years.

Also, it has not changed your warranty. It is now and has been three years transferable.

Lastly, SWR and Genz Benz have nothing to do with eachother.

willsellout · #39 01-07-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by two fingers

So you are saying that Fender should do the "right thing" and just keep pouring money into a line that isn't making money because it's AWESOME?????? I don't really know what your are. But sunshine doesn't pay the bills, sugar. Not on planet Earth anyway.

My posts in this thread are entirely satirical.

Stingray5 · #40 01-07-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by soxhats

I'm confused. I thought Fender and GB are sister companies under a conglomerate. Fender can't do anything to GB.

I think KMC owns Genz Benz, and KMC is a 'wholly owned subsidiary' of Fender.

Regardless, I'm sure some actual facts will present themselves here soon enough.