All tube Traynor yba200-2 or an Orange Bass Terror?

recreate.me · #1 06-27-2011, 09:46 PM

So that's the situation, I have never played the orange but have heard reviews are great. Currently I own the Traynor, and it's been pretty good.
I could use the extra power I think.

I would be running it through a TC electronic 2x12, with a p bass. And I'm looking for something warm, tubey and full sounding.
I am having trouble thinking a hybrid amp would sound more tubey then a tube amp, but I'd like to hear what TB has to say if anyone's played both.

Any comments on tonal differences ?

JimmyM · #2 06-27-2011, 10:41 PM

Doubtful you'll be able to get much more clean power into that cab, regardless of what they tell you in the specs. If you need more volume, by far, the best way to do it is by adding speakers, because to get twice as loud, you need 10x the wattage, and ain't no way in hell that cab's taking 2000w. I'd keep the Traynor and look into a second 212 like yours.

ben12390 · #3 06-27-2011, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

Doubtful you'll be able to get much more clean power into that cab, regardless of what they tell you in the specs. If you need more volume, by far, the best way to do it is by adding speakers, because to get twice as loud, you need 10x the wattage, and ain't no way in hell that cab's taking 2000w. I'd keep the Traynor and look into a second 212 like yours.

i agree with this.
imagine this... and it is really in laments terms

if your amp has 200 volume points, and youre putting 100 points into each of your speakers, then they're handling a lot.
but say you split that up, and do 50 points per speaker, you can really crank it, because youre speakers are able to handle way more points than that.
so you might not be louder from speaker to speaker, but you will feel louder, and have more clean head room to not distort your tone.
but i personally dont know your set up, so you might not 'need' to get a second cab. but i definitely suggest it.
and when youve got more cabs, youve got more handling power, letting you have a bigger head, or two heads.

good luck, mate.

77PBass · #4 06-28-2011, 05:33 AM

I wouldn't describe the Orange BT500 as warm. Hi-fi, extended range yes, warm no.

recreate.me · #5 06-28-2011, 06:42 AM

Well I also have an extra RS112 so I can use 3x12s. That would give me 650watts to a 200watt head. Which should be enough power.
I really want to know how these two heads compare since there's I have a killer offer for an orange terror. I have heard the can fool you into thinking it's a tube amp.

maevinj · #6 06-28-2011, 08:38 AM

I wouldn't give up my traynor for a BT. I'd definitely look at adding another/different cab

JMac4strngr · #7 06-28-2011, 09:06 AM

I'm gonna +1 with adding more speakers. I haven't tried the Bass terror but I am willing to bet that it wont give You much more volume than the YBA 200, through Your current cab set-up. IME, with hybrid amps is that they can sound kinda tubey but will not get the sound and feel an all tube amp.
If You're wanting more clean headroom(less gain) from the YBA-200. You could swap the 12AX7 pre-amp tubes for 12AT7's(which I did on mine just for the sake of trying it out), lowering the gain just a tad and giving You a bit more clean headroom.

recreate.me · #8 06-28-2011, 09:40 AM

Do you guys think that adding a 112 to a 212 will give a noticeable volume increase ?

maevinj · #9 06-28-2011, 10:34 AM

Possibly, but remember that the 1x12 will be taking half the power of the amp and the 212 will get the other half. I think you'll notice more by adding another 212 vs using 112

AwkwardLoudness · #10 06-28-2011, 12:06 PM

I vote for getting a YBA-300 and bigger cab(s)

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Originally Posted by recreate.me

Do you guys think that adding a 112 to a 212 will give a noticeable volume increase ?

Not a useful volume increase. The three 12" speakers will not be receiving equal power. Add a matching 2x12 or replace the cab with something more efficient.

derridiandrift · #11 06-28-2011, 04:36 PM

Keep the YBA200 and look into getting a used SVT15E (or a pair of them and maybe sell the TC cab). That amp works really well with those cabs IMO. One sounds great, two will sound great and be loud enough to handle heavy hitting drummers and loud guitar amps. This is also a relatively cheap way to build a modular rig that meets your tone goals.

recreate.me · #12 06-28-2011, 04:48 PM

I had planned on getting 2 112s but got a deal here for the 2x12 so I grabbed it. Maybe I will keep the 112 at home for practice then.
Thanks for the tips. I don't have room for 2 2x12s in the car plus other gear which is why I got the TC.

Alex1984 · #13 06-28-2011, 04:53 PM

Haven't played a BT, but listened to clips. I prefer the YBA-200 though. I played mine with a 410 for quite a bit with no problem.

recreate.me · #14 06-28-2011, 05:20 PM

Yeah I have played it through an 8x10 and 4x10 and it sounds great I guess I was hoping that if I got more power I could get away with a 2x12 since it's a 400watt cab, 650w if you add the extra 112

recreate.me · #15 06-28-2011, 05:22 PM

Also what about a walkabout, would that be a pretty comparison for the Traynor in terms of tube-y-ness ?
From what I have read is it's more tube like then the orange, so same scale as the Traynor?

Alex1984 · #16 06-28-2011, 05:37 PM

Walkabout's warmer, it's good for producing a certain range of tube tones, but doesn't cover all the grounds. Within its range of tones, the WA can potentially be more pleasing than the YBA-200, depending on the person.

recreate.me · #17 06-28-2011, 05:41 PM

I tried one at L&M but through a 15"SVT classic, it sounded good but i couldnt develop anything without shaking basses off the walls.
(Kinda sucks stores haven't done something about that. Like a sound proof room you actually turn a 300W head past 1.)
Do you think you could maybe detail a bit of the tones you mean ? what can it and cant do ? (in a nut shell, obviously not power tube distortion, but other then that)

Daniel Piper · #18 06-28-2011, 05:54 PM

I owned the yba for a couPle of years. Could never make peace with the preamp. I understand using a passive tone stack if the default voice is either a. Relatively flat or b. Amazing.

I know lots of people love the yba but I hated the inherent mid scoop.
I would go for the orange. If only because you would get more clean headroom. Headroom is an issue with this head ( the yba) coz it breaks up so early. Mine did even after rolling out the stock 12ax7s for lower gain tubes.

Sartori · #19 06-28-2011, 05:56 PM

I'd say keep the Traynor and get more speakers. Probably another 2x12.

recreate.me · #20 06-28-2011, 05:57 PM

Lol since posting this I think I have decided to go with a walkabout head instead. From what I hear it's more tube like then the orange and still louder then the Traynor. Somewhere in the middle of the two perhaps.