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Old 12-07-2011, 09:32 AM
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Yes another thread where some is looking to the talk bass crowd for advice. So after a long conversation last night I realize my gear addiction might have the best of me. I own a svt 2 pro with heritage 8x10. For a long while it has collected dust. I don't gig with it. I even have a collection of tubes sitting unused for the day the current tubes fry. Which won't happen cause I play my markbass rig. I feel like I'm hanging on to the ampeg rig for a silly reason, that its the tone in my head for years I heard. Now I own one and it sits unplayed while my markbass gets the action. I am considering moving to GK 2001 head with 4x10 and 1x15. Am I dillusional for wanting to switch from my ampeg tube rig to Gallien Krueger solid state?
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No matter what you do with the Ampeg rig, I think a lot of people would advise against using a 4x10 and a 1x15 together.
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No matter what you do with the Ampeg rig, I think a lot of people would advise against using a 4x10 and a 1x15 together.
Normally I would advise against this however, GK has the bi-amping which helps when running mis matched cabs.

No your not crazy, I would keep the Ampeg.
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Normally I would advise against this however, GK has the bi-amping which helps when running mis matched cabs.

No your not crazy, I would keep the Ampeg.
While the ability to bi-amp does help when running a 1X15/4X10 rig - it does not minimize the size of a 4X10 cab being carried around to do the job of a single 6" speaker.
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I would keep the Ampeg. You already have a nice solid state head with the Markbass. If you are only using the Markbass. Are you gonna have the GK rig sit the and collect dust in place of the Ampeg?
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Old 12-07-2011, 09:50 AM
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Normally I would advise against this however, GK has the bi-amping which helps when running mis matched cabs.

No your not crazy, I would keep the Ampeg.
IIRC (I used to own a GK 2001), the biamp feature really is only good for separately amplifying the high freqs. There's a crossover in the amp, and (again, IIRC) the amp for the highs is much smaller than the main amp section, something on the order of 50 W.

I don't see this is as a workable solution for ya.
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Why do you normally use the Markbass over the Ampeg? Weight?

I ask because the GK 2001 is a heavy beast in itself. It slays, but it ain't light.
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GAS and being a "gear head" as others put it sometimes can really get to you. I know I have been tempted numerous times by flashy new toys, however I would always tell myself do I really really need it and would I regret it later. I find what keeps me sane with GAS and the multi-rig problems is having a limited amount of gear, as in enough good gear to get me by where I don't have anything just sitting around not being used.

Like my current setup consists of one Fender P bass, my main rig which is a Peavey Tour 450 amp and Mesa PH 6x10 cab, and a Fender Rumble 15 combo I use at my apartment. I never have to go through the thought of "ah what gear should I use?" I use all my gear because it is all I have and works great. Sometimes less is more and helps you appreciate what you got. Also not having a lot of money helps too

But I would just keep your current MarkBass setup and the Ampeg, perhaps use it for home use or you never know when you may need or want to use it. But if you really wanted to I am sure you could make good money off selling it.

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About the mismatched cab. Many of GK endorsed artists are said to use the 410 and 115 in combo. So I am not sure what to think about this.

This might sound weird I don't play the ampeg with the idea I'm saving the tubes. Strange I know.

I am so on the fence with what to do.

/sigh
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Use the “search” - there are many threads here about using matched and mismatched speaker cabinets.
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:57 AM
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I would keep what sounds best.
Don't let your brain get in the way of your ears.
You don't have to keep it all.
You don't have to sell it all.
Not using an amp because you don't want to use up the tubes is like not using a pencil because you don't want to use up the lead.
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I'm also confused when people say mismatched.
Are you talking about ohmage or saying you can't mic speaker sizes.
I don't like the sound of bi-amping rigs I like to run full range but if you do biamp it takes less power to amplify high frequencies.
That's why guitar heads are usually 50-100watts and bass amps are 200-300-infinity watts
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Do as you wish with your gear, but a HUGE +1 to NOT pairing a 15 with a 410. It's popular, yes- but being popular does not make it a good pairing. Even with the "GK Biamping", 2 full range bass cabs should always be matched pairs. Period.
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or saying you can't mic speaker sizes.
This one.

I understand why, and prefer not the mix based on that.

However, I did play/gig a 410 +115 for a good long time. The world never ended. I did get compliments on my tone all the time though...
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Old 12-07-2011, 12:29 PM
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Are you saying I can't use my 412 and folded 18?
Someone should tell those fEARFUL guys they're doing it wrong.
I think what you meant to say is you should use an 810 with a 215.
Too much is not enough.
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Old 12-07-2011, 12:58 PM
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I'm also confused when people say mismatched.
It can mean a number of different things, some of which overlap each other...

- Using non-identical drivers to cover the same frequency range
- Using different size drivers to cover the same frequency range
- Using non-identical cabinets together, in the same frequency rage
- Using cabinets with very different power requirements together
- Using cabinets with very different output capability (volume) together


The "frequency range" issues have to do with the way different speakers reproduce sound... if they are covering the same frequency range (no crossovers or hp/lp filters involved), they can reinforce each other in some ways and cancel each other out in others. While the result might possibly sound good, there is no way to tell without trying it. And even if it does sound good, it is probable that adding more of the same (rather than mixing) would sound better yet.

The other issues are simpler... the power handling of different cabinets can vary, as can the output. (Duh.)

Pairing a single 15 with a 4x10 is likely to get pointed out as problematic, because it can tick ALL of those boxes, depending on how you run it.

The best case... on separate amplifier channels (to mitigate power handling and volume differences) after a crossover (lows to whichever handles them best, and highs to the other, to eliminate the frequency overlap). Note that by doing this, you aren't exactly running the most efficient rig on the planet. Whichever cab is taking the high range is way oversized. (Hence the comment about using a 410 to do the job a single 6" mid can handle.)

If you skip the crossover, running them full range on separate amp channels... you are still packing a lot of dead weight. The 15 just can't keep up with the 410. If you try to turn the 15 up to match it, you'll probably blow it. If you turn down the 410 to match the 15, you're leaving most of the capability of the 410 unused. Plus you now have the aforementioned frequency overlap issues on top of it.

If you just run them both on a single channel, full range (most likely scenario that people warn about), you are rolling dice. The 15 is getting just as much power as the 410... you stand a good chance of blowing it unless you never turn up beyond what that 15 can handle by itself... leaving the 410 going mostly to waste.

If you have a single 15, and feel you absolutely must pair some 10's with it, don't use 4... you only need 2 of them to keep up. If you have a 410, and just gotta run some 15's with it, you'll probably need 2 of them to keep up. It's still an acoustic "mismatch", but at least isn't as much of a power/volume mismatch.

I think that covers most of what people are talking about when they say "mismatched".
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Old 12-07-2011, 01:11 PM
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Are you saying I can't use my 412 and folded 18?
Someone should tell those fEARFUL guys they're doing it wrong.
I think what you meant to say is you should use an 810 with a 215.
Too much is not enough.
I'll take two 810's thank you. They look cooler...

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