Ampeg 410 vs 610..

streetknight · #1 09-23-2011, 07:27 AM

Anyone AB'd these against each other? What are your opinions?

I bought a used SVT-610HLF the other day, but it's just not doing it for me. Doesn't seem to have enough low end. Now Keep in mind a pretty new player, but it's just not the tone I'm looking for. Could be my amp or the settings I'm using. I just know I'm not happy.

I'm using a US Peavey Cirrus and a GK 700RBII head.

Now, I have the opportunity to trade the 610 for a SVT-410HLF that's in better cosmetic condition to mine. I've heard the 410 has more low end than the 610, but IDK. Won't be able to try before the trade.

georgestrings · #2 09-23-2011, 07:34 AM

*I* would make that deal, because I actually owned all 3 of those pieces, and *for me*, the SVT-410HLF worked MUCH better with the 700rb-II than the SVT-610HLF did... I also didn't get enough low end out of the -610HLF, and could make it fart out fairly easily - not so with the -410HLF...

- georgestrings

waleross · #3 09-23-2011, 08:57 AM

+1 on the 410HLf over the 610 cab.

bassnj · #4 09-23-2011, 09:21 AM

+1 on 410 HLF. Ampeg's best sounding cab, IMO. (I know I'll catch grief for that.)

SteveL54 · #5 09-23-2011, 10:10 AM

I'm using the 410HLF with the GK 700RBII.
Get ready to fall in love.
We're still on the honeymoon.
The problem is that I'm not getting any younger, and I dread the day I can't pull her big butt up the stairs anymore and I have to trade her in for a newer, slimmer model....

georgestrings · #6 09-23-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by streetknight

Won't be able to try before the trade.

I just re-read your OP, and caught this - I have to ask, why not???

I don't think I'd get a used cab without being able to thoroughly check it out before making the deal...

- georgestrings

gustobassman · #7 09-23-2011, 12:37 PM

I've been using the 610HLF for the past 4 years with a GK800RB. i play all sizes of venues, from 100 to 1000 people and have had zero "farting" and no problems with the low end. The front porting is probably what's throwing you off. you seriously need to be about 10 feet away to actually hear it well. the ports disperse the low end, as opposed to rear ports which reflect the soundwaves off a wall. at least that's my take on it. I've played outdoors, clubs, large halls.... never had an issue.

I run my GK head nearly flat (knobs around noon, slight bass boost and high mid boost) and augment my sound with a Sansamp BDDI. The horn is nearly off. If you are trying to get the punchiness of a sealed cab, it's not going to happen. I was at first thrown by this as well, but a little knob tweaking and you are good.

are you scooping your settings?? try it flat, and go from there.

Gearhead17 · #8 09-23-2011, 02:22 PM

The 410hlf definitely has more low end, but it lacks a lot in the midrange (400hz-800hz). It's a scooped sounding cabinet, while the 610hlf has part of the vibe of the 410hlf and some of the 810e vibe. The 610hlf is truly a hyrbid of the two and works great.

If you want more low end, the 410hlf will give it to you, but in some bands and many stages I have been on, having extra low end does not help you hear yourself. It actually works against you.

Buster Brown · #9 09-23-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gustobassman

I've been using the 610HLF for the past 4 years with a GK800RB. i play all sizes of venues, from 100 to 1000 people and have had zero "farting" and no problems with the low end. The front porting is probably what's throwing you off. you seriously need to be about 10 feet away to actually hear it well. the ports disperse the low end, as opposed to rear ports which reflect the soundwaves off a wall. at least that's my take on it. I've played outdoors, clubs, large halls.... never had an issue.

I run my GK head nearly flat (knobs around noon, slight bass boost and high mid boost) and augment my sound with a Sansamp BDDI. The horn is nearly off. If you are trying to get the punchiness of a sealed cab, it's not going to happen. I was at first thrown by this as well, but a little knob tweaking and you are good.

are you scooping your settings?? try it flat, and go from there.

Well said.....

Like you, I have a 6X10 also...never have a problem with "farting out". Now, to be clear, I prefer the 8X10 to the 6X10 but the 6X10 works well in smaller gig situations.

The 4X10hlf I USED to own was a royal pain in the ass for me. Yes, it sounded fine...but IMO it was twice the bear to move and lift than the 6X10 because it sits so much lower to the ground. For me, the 6X10 is MUCH easier to schlep around....

streetknight · #10 09-23-2011, 02:47 PM

I'm afraid either may be overkill for me right now anyway. It's just in my basement, however I start jamming with some guys next week, the guitarist is also a sound man and he keeps telling me to get something small