Ampeg 410HE issue

shakes41 · #1 07-23-2012, 03:03 PM

I use a 4 month old Peavey Tour 700 watt head (500 @ 8ohms) my Ampeg cab (410HE - 500 @ 8ohms)

I have my amp volume and master at 10..
with the volume controll of the cab to (infinity)..

and I play a small bar and its barely loud..

is this normal?

Fair Warning · #2 07-23-2012, 03:08 PM

René_Julien · #3 07-23-2012, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shakes41

I have my amp volume and master at 10..
with the volume controll of the cab to (infinity)..

???

I don't get that. Cabs don't have volume control.

And I have a hard time grasping that setup isn't loud enough for a bar. Even a big bar.
I don't know that cab though.

Turn up your master maybe?

hodgy · #4 07-23-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by René_Julien

???

I don't get that. Cabs don't have volume control.

And I have a hard time grasping that setup isn't loud enough for a bar. Even a big bar.
I don't know that cab though.

Turn up your master maybe?

Rene, the OP is talking about the tweeter control.

René_Julien · #5 07-23-2012, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hodgy

Rene, the OP is talking about the tweeter control.

Ah okay, I should have figured that.

OP, what do you mean with the volume and master at 10?
10 like 10 o clock or 10 like "geez I wish this amp goes to 11"?

How are you equalizing?

Alex1984 · #6 07-23-2012, 03:47 PM

Phase issue? Have you done the 9V battery test? Also, are any of the speakers blown?

RickenBoogie · #7 07-23-2012, 03:51 PM

Pushing the amp that hard, I'd be surprised if you haven't already damaged the spkr cab. You cannot trust the wattage ratings on the cab, they are not the whole story. And your amp is capable of more than it's rated power. Much to know, but still a puzzle here.

JimmyM · #8 07-23-2012, 06:36 PM

The 410he's power handling rating is pretty darn accurate for real world usage, and would be rated considerably higher for thermal power handling. And with 500w, that should be tearing your face off pretty good well before it gets to that point.

My thoughts are either you need to tilt it up to where you can hear the entire cab's output and not have the highs and mids breeze past your ears, or you need to rethink your EQ to include more mids. Too much mid scooping can often result in disappearing in a mix.

BillyB_from_LZ · #9 07-23-2012, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shakes41

I use a 4 month old Peavey Tour 700 watt head (500 @ 8ohms) my Ampeg cab (410HE - 500 @ 8ohms)

I have my amp volume and master at 10..
with the volume controll of the cab to (infinity)..

and I play a small bar and its barely loud..

is this normal?

Are your cables good? Have you tried other cables that are known to be good?

Do you play an active bass? If so, how old is the battery?

Have you tried a different bass?

Have you tried jumping the effects loop with a short instrument cable?

carl h. · #10 07-23-2012, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shakes41

I use a 4 month old Peavey Tour 700 watt head (500 @ 8ohms) my Ampeg cab (410HE - 500 @ 8ohms)

I have my amp volume and master at 10..
with the volume controll of the cab to (infinity)..

and I play a small bar and its barely loud..

is this normal?

http://www.peavey.com/products/instA...%29%20700.html

I see no volume or master labels on this rig.

I think the OP needs to post a pic of his rig and what he has dialed in.

Mike in Chicago · #11 07-23-2012, 07:44 PM

I dont comprehend...is this trolling for another "Ampeg sucks" fest?

B-string · #12 07-23-2012, 08:01 PM

A little soon to jump on the overly sensitive buss?

shakes41 · #13 07-24-2012, 12:54 AM

pre gain (volume)
post gain (master)

all at max 10 ( on the tour 700)

10 being max

9 Band EQ I have my low at like 6 1/2
mids down at like 4 1/2 sometimes 5
and high is at like 5 1/2

basicly a tiny happy face EQ

it doesn't sound as good as when I first got it like 3 month ago, I remember having my amp at like 6 or 7 and it was loud , now its 10..

and the speakers sound a little flat and cant ever get a good tone out of it.

I just got a Ampeg BA 115 today (100 watts) and its just as loud as my 410 (500 watts)

shakes41 · #14 07-24-2012, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyB_from_LZ

Are your cables good? Have you tried other cables that are known to be good?

Do you play an active bass? If so, how old is the battery?

Have you tried a different bass?

Have you tried jumping the effects loop with a short instrument cable?

its an 2006 Jazz passive 5 string

I use peavey 1/4'' cables.. I should maybe try going speakon?

yes I tried different fenders (it worked fine 3 months ago, and had it at a reasonable level)

now when I lower my tweeder level I get a buzz?

and no I never tried doing that, I did use a Compressor for a few months

Bass_Pounder · #15 07-24-2012, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shakes41

I use peavey 1/4'' cables.. I should maybe try going speakon?

This statement makes me believe that you may not be using actual SPEAKER cable, but a regular 1/4 instrument cable to connect your head to your cab.

dmac1961 · #16 07-24-2012, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bass_Pounder

This statement makes me believe that you may not be using actual SPEAKER cable, but a regular 1/4 instrument cable to connect your head to your cab.

Which might explain the slow degradation of the output.

Mike in Chicago · #17 07-24-2012, 11:42 AM

For many years, I didnt know there was any difference...a cord was a cord. I always wondered why my equipment sounded like **** and always lost power or cut out.

Maybe thats it.

Venom of God · #18 11-20-2012, 03:08 PM

Sorry to resurrect an oldish thread (not sure if it's been resolved or not?), but I just switched from a LabSystems 410HLC to an older USA made 410HE and I must say the drop in volume was HUGE! I do greatly prefer the tone of the 'Peg cab, but the volume drop really did amaze me. Maybe that has something to do with it?