Ampeg 410HE low end trouble???

acmmisfit · #1 08-25-2010, 05:07 PM

so i bought a Ampeg B2R and Ampeg 410HE rig, the cab is rated at 500 watts and the head is rated at 200 watts but i feel the cab has trouble on the low end,it cant really shoot out the bass, but the head is fairly weak?? i want to feel the full power of the head without being scared i might blow a speaker, any solutions?

Mooks1881 · #2 08-25-2010, 05:19 PM

I have the same set up, only the head is a B2RE, 450 watts. And the same cab. The ampeg 410HE is rated for 8 ohms. When you use only one cab with the B2r head the output wattage will drop nearly by half as much. this is why you are experiencing less bass. If you had a 4 ohm cabinet the head would run at full power.

If you want more volume you would need to add another 8 ohm cabinet to the rig to allow the head to run at full wattage.

Make sense?

acmmisfit · #3 08-25-2010, 05:22 PM

but i feel that the cab starts getting a little muddy when the bass is loud, it has trouble when its at 200 watts, im scared if it had a more powerful head

Mooks1881 · #4 08-25-2010, 05:35 PM

the head is getting muddy. that cab can take a pretty heavy beating before it gets muddy. Sounds like you have the distortion coming from the preamp or poweramp. When you play, does the red LED light flash near the first gain control? And do you have the limiter turned on? the little switch after master volume with the yellow light. does that blink when you play?

RickenBoogie · #5 08-25-2010, 05:56 PM

What you want, (it seems) is either A) another 410he, or B) lose the he and get a 410hlf. Either way you run the amp at full power, (4 ohms), and either way you get more low end.

bassdaddyfive · #6 08-25-2010, 06:01 PM

Sounds like the amp is not powerful enough for your cab. You need a amp with 350 to 500 watts for that cab to get the full lowend response.

acmmisfit · #7 08-25-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooks1881

the head is getting muddy. that cab can take a pretty heavy beating before it gets muddy. Sounds like you have the distortion coming from the preamp or poweramp. When you play, does the red LED light flash near the first gain control? And do you have the limiter turned on? the little switch after master volume with the yellow light. does that blink when you play?

hey mooks, the lights do come on

Mooks1881 · #8 08-25-2010, 06:07 PM

yeah.. that means your signal is too hot. so you prolly should get another 8 ohm cab or swap the ampeg 410he for an ampeg 410hlf!

+1 bassdaddyfive

acmmisfit · #9 08-25-2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mooks1881

yeah.. that means your signal is too hot. so you prolly should get another 8 ohm cab or swap the ampeg 410he for an ampeg 410hlf!

+1 bassdaddyfive

so.... more powerful head? or the HLF?

iamdenialNJ · #10 08-25-2010, 07:56 PM

I'm planning to run two 410he's in the future so I can take them apart for jamming situations and put them together for shows or for jamming haha.

Does anyone here run 2x 410he's?????? Opinions? How is the low end?

Timi · #11 08-25-2010, 08:25 PM

I used to have a 410HE, powered it with either a GK800RB or Orange AD200B and didn't get the problems you are describing.

Either your head is underpowered for your needs or you are expecting too much from a sealed 4x10.

jordie65 · #12 08-25-2010, 08:33 PM

the problem could be that you are using a sealed cab, which does not go as low as a ported cab, such as the already suggested hlf

DBTOYS · #13 08-25-2010, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bassdaddyfive

Sounds like the amp is not powerful enough for your cab. You need a amp with 350 to 500 watts for that cab to get the full lowend response.

+ 1 to that maybe even 650 to 700 so you could have some headroom!

a01020201 · #14 08-25-2010, 08:44 PM

i have a b2-re head, and both the he, and both the hlf cabs, i like the hlf cab more

iamdenialNJ · #15 08-25-2010, 08:48 PM

have you tried two 410he's?

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Originally Posted by a01020201

i have a b2-re head, and both the he, and both the hlf cabs, i like the hlf cab more

iamdenialNJ · #16 08-25-2010, 08:56 PM

I know voodoobassist uses two 410he's maybe he'll chime in.

maxbass · #17 08-26-2010, 01:27 AM

Unluckily you have an underpowered head and a very inefficient (but very good sounding) cab.

You'll always lack the headroom needed for good low-end response.

That cab can be beautiful with a good head, the weak ring in your chain is the head

acmmisfit · #18 08-26-2010, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by maxbass

Unluckily you have an underpowered head and a very inefficient (but very good sounding) cab.

You'll always lack the headroom needed for good low-end response.

That cab can be beautiful with a good head, the weak ring in your chain is the head

the head turns into 350 watts at 4 ohms so im gonna get the Ampeg 410HLF to run it at 350 watts

dukeisdog · #19 08-26-2010, 02:39 AM

Remember that with a 4 ohm cab (HLF) you wont be able to add a second cab if needed.

I'd still suggest the second 410HE.

acmmisfit · #20 08-26-2010, 03:01 AM

but i can get a stronger head, i mean i dont need that big of a rig......yet, and as it is we bearly have space in the car to go to shows, we're still small