Ampeg 410HLF no big difference

[acmmisfit]

So my previous rig was a Ampeg B2R Head w/ Ampeg 410HE (8ohm cab) The head was running at 200 watts and the peak light would go off a lot at medium volumes, many TBers told me to get the HLF, I got the 410HLF to get the full 350 watts and that famous low end i hear about them, Its seriously not that much a difference, and the peak light goes off at med-high volumes, i mean its a little louder but not as much as i thought it would, anything wrong here?

[JimmyM]

yes, the people you listened to were wrong not about the low end but about the wattage making a difference. actually, i find the 410hlf is a little quieter than the 410he because of its big low end, so that offsets any wattage gains.

however, it does have a big giant low end. but the low end doesn't usually become that noticeable unless you're playing in a band context. have you tried it with a band yet?

[bassplayerbob]

I have the B5r head. I run the master around 12-1 o'clock and the pre around 9-10 o'clock. Wken i use my fender jazz passive i dont engage the pad but when i use my Music Man i have to engage the pad or the clip light goes nuts. Either way i have quite the stage volume with an Avatar 210 and an Ampeg BXT115. Hope this helps out.

[acmmisfit]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

yes, the people you listened to were wrong not about the low end but about the wattage making a difference. actually, i find the 410hlf is a little quieter than the 410he because of its big low end, so that offsets any wattage gains.

however, it does have a big giant low end. but the low end doesn't usually become that noticeable unless you're playing in a band context. have you tried it with a band yet?

yea i tried it last night with my band, it played well but the head turned into 350 watts, i didnt feel them :/

[Warrior_Bass]

Originally Posted by acmmisfit

yea i tried it last night with my band, it played well but the head turned into 350 watts, i didnt feel them :/

I noticed that amp likes to clip a lot once the master is past noon. Also, you aren't going to notice a huge volume increase going from 200 to 350 watts. The added speakers help, but I think you're going to need a more powerful head.

[acmmisfit]

Originally Posted by Warrior_Bass

I noticed that amp likes to clip a lot once the master is past noon. Also, you aren't going to notice a huge volume increase going from 200 to 350 watts. The added speakers help, but I think you're going to need a more powerful head.

thanks! yea i really want a Ampeg SVT 450 head

[RFord04]

I used a B2RE with a 410HLF and I had the same problem with it clipping a lot. It just doesn't have the power necessary to play with a loud band. My Mark Bass LMII, however, is perfect (especially when paired with my VT bass dlx.). You may want to consider a more powerful head.

[RFord04]

Originally Posted by acmmisfit

thanks! yea i really want a Ampeg SVT 450 head

You might still be cutting it close on the necessary volume with the 450. I didn't notice a huge difference between that and my B2RE, but then again, it might be a very noticable difference from the B2R.

[JimmyM]

450h and b2re are the same amp.

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

yes, the people you listened to were wrong not about the low end but about the wattage making a difference.

+1. Want to double the volume? Increase the watts by a factor of ten.

actually, i find the 410hlf is a little quieter than the 410he because of its big low end, so that offsets any wattage gains.

+1 as well. Lower extension comes at the expense of efficiency. Nine times out of ten if your rig doesn't make it the trick is to double the speaker count, to give you both more power and higher efficiency.

[acmmisfit]

so whats a perfect head for this cab? i want to feel this beast!

[invader3k]

Everything I've heard about the B2R heads is that they aren't that powerful. Probably time to upgrade.

[JustOpenYourMind]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

450h and b2re are the same amp.

Exactly, an SVT450 is a B2RE in an SVT wood casing

[acmmisfit]

Originally Posted by acmmisfit

so whats a perfect head for this cab? i want to feel this beast!

so whats a perfect head for this cab? i want to feel this beast!

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by acmmisfit

so whats a perfect head for this cab? i want to feel this beast!

it'll only take 500w so that's your bottom line limit.

[acmmisfit]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

it'll only take 500w so that's your bottom line limit.

I am aware of that haha, i know it can handle 500, but what exact Head do you recommend?

[nicfargo]

Yeah, the difference between 200w and 350w isn't going to be that noticeable. To double your volume, you'd need 2000w, no joke.

[georgestrings]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

actually, i find the 410hlf is a little quieter than the 410he because of its big low end, so that offsets any wattage gains.

Only if you don't have enough amp to push the HLF - with enough amp, the HLF will continue to get louder, while the HE will start to fart out - in fact, the HLF will get considerably louder than the HE, if pushed with enough amp...



- georgestrings

[acmmisfit]

Originally Posted by georgestrings

Only if you don't have enough amp to push the HLF - with enough amp, the HLF will continue to get louder, while the HE will start to fart out - in fact, the HLF will get considerably louder than the HE, if pushed with enough amp...



- georgestrings

what amp can make the HLF show all its strength?

[JimmyM]

it doesn't matter what amp you use as long as it's 500w at 4 ohms. who knows what you'd like? go play some amps and see what you think.