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Old 06-22-2011, 03:26 AM
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Ampeg B-15N, worth it?

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Being fairly new to this, i just wanted to get some opinions on what people think of the B-15's?

I'm looking at getting one (just the head) for around $1000 AUD. Is that too much, or too little?
60 watts. Tubes are: 5AR4, 6L6GC (2), 6SL7 (3).


I've heard some good things about these, and hearing the tones on Thrice's album "Beggars" makes me want one right now.

If it helps, the tone im going for is pretty much Interpol's bass tones through and through (Carlos D).

ANY advice would be helpful
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Old 06-22-2011, 06:35 AM
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There is a B-15 club with a ton of information if you're looking. A B-15N (most likely with that tube complement) will be 25-30 watts, not 60. A B-15S would be 60 watts but runs different tubes. Whether it's worth it is entirely up to you and your gigging situation. I've gigged one with one of my projects and it was usually loud enough, but it was a relatively quiet group.
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Old 06-22-2011, 07:27 AM
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The B15N is a fliptop combo amp. It seems odd that you would want only the amp portion. Price seems high for not being the whole combo. You could spend a little more and get an intact 60s era B15N.

The B15N is one of the greatest and most popular studio bass amps. It wouldn't be loud enough for most live situations though.
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The selling prices of these amps tends to vary a lot depending on time of the year, the economy, situations that create a demand. Where you live makes a big difference. They must be rare in Perth. The prices have been climbing since the release and all the publicity of the Ampeg Heritage B-15N.

I can't tell you if $1K AUD is fair. It seems reasonable. There is a group of Aussie's discussing the cost of amps here (Strong Aussie dollar but where are the benefits?). You might want to ask them what they think of this price.

It is important that any old amp be inspected and brought up to spec by a qualified service tech before you put the amp into service. So once you buy the amp, it is going to cost you a little more.

Things to look for when buying a B-15:
What condition is the amp in?
Is there a lot of rust on the chassis?
Are the transformers original? A changed power transformer is common. I like to see at least an original output transformer.
What year was the amp made? If you know about these things you can make a educated guess by looking at the amp. The best way to tell is to look at the date codes on the pots under the chassis.
Have any modifications been performed? What was done?
Has the amp been serviced? The power supply capacitors need to be replaced with time. The original two conductor power cord should be replaced with a three conductor cord for safety reasons.
Have the tubes been replaced?
Do the tone pots affect the sound when rotated from one extreme to the other?
Do all the switches work?
Is there a crackling or any noise when the pots are turned?
Is there any hum or noise when the amp is at idle? Normally these amps are very quiet.

These are all things that will cost you more if you have to have them looked at. Some are easily fixed, while others cost a bit more. There isn't anything that can't be fixed on these amps.

There were also different versions of the B15 amps. If you are looking to cop the sound of a particular player, find out which version of the B-15 they were using.

These amps sound great when plugged into different cabinets but you should be aware that the cabinet is part of the B-15 sound. In the early 60's the cabinet was what was called a double baffle design. In the 70's it changed to a Thiele based design. These cabinets sound different. If you want a matching cab, you can build your own or buy a reproduction model. Check out Vintage Blue for the best bouble baffle cab you will find available. Fliptops is another source for cabinets as well as parts.
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Did the B-15N's ever increase their wattage, say in the 80's or 90's? I have one from the 80's, used it on an outside gig last Friday nite, and it did the job, but barely. I have never checked the wattage on the head, just wondering if anyone knows off hand? That thing is a handful and you would think for a beast that heavy, it would have much more watts.
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Old 06-22-2011, 07:47 AM
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Nope. The b15r was 100 watts, but that thing has more in common with a v4 than a b15.
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To add to that...

The earliest B15's were 25Watts. They bumped this up to 30W with a circuit revision. Then they released another model with ultra-hi and ultra-lo tone switches. Still rated at 30W.

BT-15, 65W transistorized fliptop. Came with ultra-hi and ultra-lo tone switches. Very nice optional Altec 418B or 421A speakers were offered. BT15C came with a cab with 2 15 speakers. As I recall, there was a tube counterpart, the B15NC, that also came with a 2 15 cab. Not the same as the B15NC amp.

B15X, 50W tube portaflex in the mid 60's. Kind of like a B18 but with reverb. The B18X was it's counterpart.

B15ND, 50W tube was a short lived model in 1967. Again a smaller version of the B18.

In 1971 they released the B15S which was 60W. Nice amp but they moved away from the classic design and tube lineup.

In the early 1990's they released the B15T which was a 100W solid state model.

In 1997 they released the B15R which was 100 or 50W.

In 2011 they released the Heritage B15N which is 25 or 30W.
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addendum: The 90's b15t was based off of the late 60's bt15.
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Old 06-22-2011, 02:34 PM
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Yes, I forgot about the BT-15, a 65Watt transistor fliptop amp. And a few other as well. Someone should write a book about this stuff... :=)

I'll update my post above.
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Old 06-22-2011, 02:41 PM
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I looked..my 15BT says 100 watts on the back of the amp.
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My first amp, bought used in 1977 for $80.00, was an ampeg B15N. Great sounding amp, BUT, not enough power to keep up with anything. I believe these amps are the most overpriced and unreliable on the used market today. Do not get me wrong, they are great sounding, but way overpriced considering everything else available on the market today.
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:01 PM
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I looked..my 15BT says 100 watts on the back of the amp.
Is that a B15T that is 100W? and the BT15 that is 65W?

They did this to confuse dyslexics like me.
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You've got me confused now..I'll have to go look again. It's either BT 15 or 15 BT, but I know it's 100 watts. According to my info, they started making them in 1988, just about the time my wife sold her music store and kept this amp.
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Old 06-23-2011, 01:13 AM
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My first amp, bought used in 1977 for $80.00, was an ampeg B15N. Great sounding amp, BUT, not enough power to keep up with anything. I believe these amps are the most overpriced and unreliable on the used market today. Do not get me wrong, they are great sounding, but way overpriced considering everything else available on the market today.
If anything else on the market sounded like one, they wouldn't be so sought after and high priced. The unreliable business is BS, BTW. B-15's are absolute tanks.
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Old 06-23-2011, 01:30 AM
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If anything else on the market sounded like one, they wouldn't be so sought after and high priced. The unreliable business is BS, BTW. B-15's are absolute tanks.
That's might be true.
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Old 06-23-2011, 01:37 AM
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You've got me confused now..I'll have to go look again. It's either BT 15 or 15 BT, but I know it's 100 watts. According to my info, they started making them in 1988, just about the time my wife sold her music store and kept this amp.
Just checked the Ampeg book, and the B-15T came out in 1988. So that's what you have.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:37 PM
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Just the amp part should be quite a bit less than a complete B15N, for me it would have to be pretty cheap, like 1/4 to 1/3 of a complete B15N.
If not cheap, I'd look for a B25 head, like this one (not mine) Ampeg B-25 blue line
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Old 06-23-2011, 02:56 PM
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Just the amp part should be quite a bit less than a complete B15N, for me it would have to be pretty cheap, like 1/4 to 1/3 of a complete B15N.
If not cheap, I'd look for a B25 head, like this one (not mine) Ampeg B-25 blue line
I can vouch for that b25. Quality amp.
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Old 06-23-2011, 03:03 PM
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I can vouch for that b25. Quality amp.
Only problem with the B25 is your have a limited selection in terms of cabs. 16 ohms off the main, 8 ohms with the dummy plug. The B15 is really set up for one or two 8 ohm cabs but Jess Oliver advises using a 4 ohm speaker in the cab as the transformers are apparently capable of handling the increased stress. Slightly more flexibility.
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I run mine @ 16 ohms with a b25 2x15, but yeah. You're right.

There is a bass player up here that gigs his b25 w/ a 4 ohms cab, and it's plenty loud. Louder than mine!
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