AMPEG BA110 ( brand new and kinda pissed )
Ok . So here goes my first post . Gonna kind of seem like a whiner post but please accept my apologies in advance .
So I am NO bass player per se. Although I have been a musician for a number of my 52 years . I've kinda been around the block and down about a million back alleys lugging gear my fair share over the years I suppose . But I will spare you all my war stories and get right to the meat of things .
I primarily have been a blues musician in my semi-pro status you might say . I've bought and sold about a gazzillion dollars in equip of all kinds over the years as I am sure most on this forum has done as well .
With that said, several musician pals of mine have sort of sparked my interest in learning bass in my old age . Although my music influences range from all the REAL MUSIC that stems from the 50's , 60's and 70's, (here's where you can laugh if you like ), I've taken up ukulele in the recent past quite adamantly . Currently I have acquired a pile of all flavors of custom luthier ( mostly USA made ) ukulele .
My bass playing buds that play well across genre and instrument lines convinced me to purchase a Kala UBass and of course, that's what I did a few weeks back .
Being in need of a small amp of reliable quality, coupled with the little knowldege I think I hold in amps and not needing a million watts, two words came to mind . Ampeg and BA110 . So of course , I purchased one today .
Got the Ampeg BA110 home and did the normal thing . Fired it up and away I go . To the ill effect of ..........
Sounds most awesome in all other respects though . lol
It seems to truly be the perfect setups for my needs, but good Grief Charlie Brown. That's not a fart. That's one mean nasty rattle . I MEAN BAD BAD BAD .
So naturally I went in search online to see if any forums mentioned the noise . Seems I found several threads addressing such and issue . They seemed identical to mine .But noen addressed the possiblity of sa loose baffle brace. Most all the racket came off the E string , but it really isolates nicely as an F# disaster . F# across the spectrum sets this thing off in one fool of a fit of bbbbbbbbrrrrrrtttttt, ffffffrrrrrtttttttt .
My first notion was speaker rattle, thinking maybe it wasn't screwed down tight enough . Come to learn, nearly every screw in the thing ( not only the speaker screws ) needed a fair bit of tweeking . All but one screw on one of the rubber feet were even close to being bottomed out.
I took the speaker out and looked for anything loose in there . NOTHING ! I've heard these amps before at all volumes and at all onboard EQ variances and had never heard such as any of them sound anything but great .
This one is on a mission to not only rattle like mad, but also a mission to rattle my last nerve with so much extraneous RACKET .
I tried the gentle touching of the edges of the speaker basket to see if that would make it stop . " VOILE " , not a single rattle with my foot touching the speaker basket edge . But just how much fun is it to play like that ? NONE.
I took the speaker back out and fooled with it again but to NO avail . Put the speaker back in and still had the BAD rattle unless my foot was touching the speaker basket . All the rubber gsskets were in place and it just seemed impossible to be coming directly from the speaker rattling on the mounting baffle . SO ....... I touch my big toe to the speaker baffle board and again , " VOILE' " no rattle .
All that dissertation to say that I am absolutley amazed Ampeg is building any of their units at any price point with such a defect as that . My guess is that all the other threads in regard to farting and buzzing will find if they put pressure on the speaker baffle, all that will go away .
I can play this thing at any volume and at any on board EQ setting and it sounds absolutely SHMOKIN with the UBass . Take your foot off the baffle and all the world sounds like it is coming apart at the seems .
So here I sit whinning like a girl scout and kinda pissed . Actually, highly pissed . Ought not be pissed really because truth be told, I'm old enough and far enough down the rail on this old music train that I know things just aren't always perfect .
For the most part , I went through all this long windedness for twofold cause . One is to see if anyone else had the baffle super rattle and to possibly and politely suggest that the past problems some thought was speaker buzz, may well want to take a look at their baffle and be no more baffled at their buzz .
The good news is that I got the Pro Warranty . The bad news is that I bought it at GC and for me to get to GC and back for a full replacement within 60 days is awful tough . Otherwise I have to send it back and wait .
I thought I was buying the Ampeg Pro Warranty when I bought it which pays for anything and everything for two years . GC warranty pays for everything except for shipping . That's yet another pisser .
To add insult to injury here, just as soon as I got off the phone with GC, I Google Ampeg and it seems they no longer have a website at ampeg.com .
NOW THAT'S ONE HEC OF A NICE NOTE AND COMFORTING THING HUH ?
Anyway . Hope I didn't piss and moan to badly here . I full well know this stuff happens . Although Ampeg quality isn't what one expects anymore I suppose . At least not on the BA110 I have . Price point it NOT the point here . I could have bought top of the line anything I wanted had I so chose. Needing a master blaster rig is not what I need . I needed something for small professional level acoustic gigs and I got a box of alien farts instead .
Hope this helps someone and noone flames me to bad over it . More and better posts in the future from Old RAGZDADDY to come, I am sure . Like I said, I am no bass player so I likely will need some learning tools to help in the future . Playing bass will be a secondary effort . I am really not looking to cutting to much time off my 20+ hours a week of working on my tenor ukulele workouts .
Thanks for your tolerance of this post .
Lol.....sorry bout the bum amp....been there before more than once. Good thing is that the amp is unded warranty. Not sure but maybe Ampeg will pay for shipping, I would contact them first. As far as their website being down-maybe some maintenance being performed? Not familiar with the GC pro coverage, I always pass on that one. Good luck!!
Thanks musicman. But I got it fixed . Inside the amp, just behind the speaker baffle on top/bottom and both sided is about a 1x1x3 inch block of cheap wood to brace the baffle with . The thing is held in with TWO TINY LITTLE probably 2 penny finish nails and micro squirt of glue .
Those crazy things are what is rattling . I took it all apart and sanded the little blocks on two sides, shot some Elmers Wood Glue to them and used inch long deck screws to secure them to the baffle . But I did pre-drill before I shot the screws in .
The glue isn't even sort of dry yet and I buttoned it back up, fired it up and and WHAT A PRETTY THUNDER she is making now at all levels and all EQ settings .
I did shut it down and lay it on it's back for the night so the glue wouldn't drip back down off the top block onto the speaker cone . Wouldnt want that for sure . lol .
But I'm pretty sure she's all buttoned down good now . Can't say it is a precise job so much but very functional . Glad I bought the pro-warranty that says NO MATTER what I do to it for two years it is covered huh ? ROFLOL .
I did a quick and very crude vid in poor light to try and show the problem . Will try and upload the vid tomorrow and post link here .
Glad you got rid of the rattle. I'll give you another tip, too...make sure the padding inside isn't loose anywhere, and add a little extra padding to the part of the back wall that isn't lined inside. I got a piece of 1" Nu-Foam from the craft store and stuck it inside...didn't even have to staple or tape it. There's been an issue with some of these little BA amps...Ampeg fixed most of them but some of them still got through. Once you fix them, though, they kick.
Looks like I'll be back after the screw driver later today . got just the thing for some acoustical packing .
I was a quite surprised when Ifirst cracked it open and came to realize that the baffle was so loosely mounted . one wold have thought from Ampeg that the sides/top/ and bottom would have been saw kerfed , glue and braced by allowing the baffle to be supported in place by a channel all the way around .
But I guess I am expecting way way way to much of the good old days to have spilled over into today disposal world huh ? Eveything is a Bic lighter these days and any and all price point . lol
My brace was mounted pretty tightly ;)
I got mine at Firehouse guitars. I am bringing it back to see what they have to say. PS: Mine is the kickback version...
But I'd bet you a bent nickle it is the same problem I had . truth be told , I'd say it's best to let them deal with such rather than do the surgery yourself . Unless of course you are as hard headed as I am and want it to STOP RATTLING NOW ! lol lol
For what it is worth, I thought I drop this link to my cloud storage account for pdf Owners Manuals for both the new and old BA110 amps .
They actually have one in Muskegon, MI. They didn't think it was a big deal, and we tried the floor model and that thing rattles way worse than mine. So, I think I am going to take matters in my own hands and follow your lead.
Also, I put my hand in one of the ports while the Firehouse guy was playing a P Bass through mine, and the rattle quit, so I am sure it is the bracing in the cabinet like you experienced with yours. The speaker sounds really nice with a P bass, great tone for an inexpensive little 10. I checked and the speaker is rated at 100 watts, so that shouldn't ever be an issue with this amp. They were on sale for $149...
+1 to the hard-headed!!!
I just looked at Firehouse's website. They have two stores in GA and three in MI, and apparently none anywhere else. That is kind of unique, isn't it?
A flat hea screw dirver and a phillps will be of use as well . lol
She'll pump then Bro . lol
Good luck and make it earn it's keep . lol
Thanks for the advice!
You could actually use something like hardwood scrap if you had some handy . I put the glue on the blocks on the side that touches the side of the amp and on the part that touches the baffle . When done, I am pretty sure it is a really good idea to lay the thing on it's back while the glue dries in order to not let glue drip on to the speaker cone .
I layed the glue pretty heavy and got drips, but internally only of course . I am uploading a video on it now . The vid doesn't really show my repair job . It shows the problem and what it looks like . I wanted to really take the time to kind of show my step by step but it was already almost 2 in the morning and I had worked up a little bit of an attitude about the whole thing . lol
Video should be able to be posted in about an hour . Not good quality . Also do to my lack of willingness to be patient in this event . Usually I am patient . NOT THIS TIME . lol
Couldn't the OP just have exchanged the buzzing amp for another one? Seems like that would have been a lot easier than going through all those modifications. Would also wonder if he voided his warranty by going inside the cabinet and doing all that stuff to it. Regardless of whether or not it fixed the problem, Ampeg would probably not look kindly on the customer doing this amount of stuff to the inside of the cabinet?
The good news is that I bought the 2 year pro warranty that says NO MATTER WHAT , they will replace it . Even if I of mine own admission ram the headstock through the thing, they will replace it . lol lol .
But yes, no additional warranty might be a problem with standard warranty . But as I and also the other poster mentioned, we aren't feeling patient and more headstrong than anything else . lol .
It's truly a decsion one makes . lol ..:eek:
OK ! Although of lousey quality ( yes I can do better ) here is the culprit .
GGGGGGRRRRRRRRR . !
The rest is all about ones personal decision to committ to surgery or not . As for me and my house.....
I WANTED RID OF THE RATTLE ! roflol .
:D :D :D
Makes sense. I know that sometimes they don't have another one in stock, or as you said, the second one does the same thing.
That is odd those had so much of a problem with the cabinet. My little 108 has been buzz and rattle free so far. This Fender Rumble 75 I have at the moment had an annoying buzz that was coming from right behind the logo on the right front of the amp. I took the amp out of the cabinet far enough to inspect the the area from the back and found that there was nothing there behind this spot. If I pushed hard on the spot from the front, the buzz went away, so thinking it may be buzzing where the chassis meets the cabinet, I stuck a couple thin pieces of rubber between the amp chassis and the cabinet and screwed it down nice and tight. Seems to have solved the problem for now.
Nothing worse than a buzzing or rattling bass amp!
Glad you finally got yours sorted! I just ordered a BA112 as I am trying to get something with the same great tone as my little 108 but with more output volume. I thought the 110 might be too close to the 108 to make enough of a difference.
We shall see. ;)
But for sure the thing is SCHWEET SOUNDING ! lol :bassist:
Thanks! Sounds like the 110 was the perfect choice for your application! :)
Apparently the entire series is great! They all use essentially the same preamp with different levels of power amp. I am not gigging with my stuff, just recording, but when I record bass, I like to have a pretty decent volume out of the amp to get my AKG D112 mic a good solid SPL. I still might try recording the bass through the 108 though just to see how it sounds. As I always did back in the day, I plan to use two channels for bass. One direct through an ART Tube MP and the other the actual amp using my D112 mic into an ART Pro Channel II dual tube mic pre and optical compressor.
I briefly had a BA115 but the one I received had a major problem with the output volume. I knew there was a problem when I couldn't get it as loud as the 108 at the same volume knob setting! I also didn't care for the piezo tweeter that one has along with the 15" speaker. The tiny bit of hiss you hear from the smaller versions was a lot louder and more noticeable.
The defective 115 made me question the QC of the larger models, so that is why I bought the Fender Rumble 75. With both amps sitting here side by side for easy A/B comparing, it was clear that the Ampeg preamp is far superior on the top end than the Fender Rumble. That made the decision to give a 112 a try a no brainer. If I can get the same great tone as the 108 with about twice the output volume potential, that is all I want! I hope that the one I get doesn't have any rattle problems or amp issues!
MF has been great with any items I have had to return though, paying for the return shipping etc., but trying to get these things back into their shipping cartons can be a real challenge sometimes! lol! ;)
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