Ampeg PF500 paired with Avatar B212 Delta LF?

[HDVacek]

Does anyone think that this is a good combination?! I'm sure theres something talking about these on this forum, I'm a newb here and tried to search but came up with nothing.. I already have the Avatar B212 Delta LF cab but no head yet.

Any recommendations would be great.

Heres my options on what I want for heads:

-TC Electronic Classic 450

-Ampeg PF500

-Mark Bass Little Mark II

Thanks, Shane

[JimmyM]

I've had an LMII and I have a PF350 now, but I've played the PF500 a few times at the store and I'd get it over the other two. The LMII is a good sounding head, but it doesn't do dirt at all while the PF500 does. The TC is actually a 240w amp that uses compression and high pass filtering to make it go louder, and TC, while admitting it on here after it being on the market for two years, seems to refuse to own up to it in their advertising, so I could never do business with them.

[HDVacek]

Thanks for the info on the heads man! I greatly appreciate it.

[jeff7bass]

The two paired together should sound dynomite, especially if it's a 4 ohm cabinet. Even if it's not though.

[HDVacek]

Oh yeah its a 4ohm cab.xD! Soon im gonna be getting a avatar 210 to throw on top of the b212

[NWB]

Originally Posted by HDVacek

Oh yeah its a 4ohm cab.xD! Soon im gonna be getting a avatar 210 to throw on top of the b212

Hold on a sec!

If the B212 is 4-ohm, then you can't really add another cab without going below the 4-ohm minimum impedance of the amp.

If the 210 is 8-ohm, then you'll have a 2.67 ohm load. If it's a 4-ohm, then you'll get 2-ohms. Either way, it won't work.

[Selta]

Originally Posted by NWB

Hold on a sec!

If the B212 is 4-ohm, then you can't really add another cab without going below the 4-ohm minimum impedance of the amp.

If the 210 is 8-ohm, then you'll have a 2.67 ohm load. If it's a 4-ohm, then you'll get 2-ohms. Either way, it won't work.

This is exactly why we basically never buy a 4 ohm cab

[jumbodbassman]

i have the avatar 212 with the mag not neo deltas and it sounded pretty good. however i had trouble with the pf500 cutting out with it as someone else did iwth an avatar cab. probably a coincidence but jsut letting you know. maybe they avatar are not as efficient which caused us to crank it up and caused the limiter kicking in. I got the svt 7 and so far so good and sounds little better than the 500. if you are goibng to use that combo i would bring the cab to the store nd crank it up. took third song for mine to happen.

+1 on the ohms...

[NWB]

Originally Posted by jumbodbassman

i have the avatar 212 with the mag not neo deltas and it sounded pretty good. however i had trouble with the pf500 cutting out with it as someone else did iwth an avatar cab. probably a coincidence but jsut letting you know. maybe they avatar are not as efficient which caused us to crank it up and caused the limiter kicking in. I got the svt 7 and so far so good and sounds little better than the 500. if you are goibng to use that combo i would bring the cab to the store nd crank it up. took third song for mine to happen.

+1 on the ohms...

My PF500 works fine with my Avatar TB153. Cab efficiency shouldn't have anything to do with the power amp.

[HDVacek]

Originally Posted by NWB

Hold on a sec!

If the B212 is 4-ohm, then you can't really add another cab without going below the 4-ohm minimum impedance of the amp.

If the 210 is 8-ohm, then you'll have a 2.67 ohm load. If it's a 4-ohm, then you'll get 2-ohms. Either way, it won't work.

Good point there man! Thanks for the info on that, I bought the cab used off craigslist so it'll do me good until I sell it and just buy 2 8ohm cabs then.

[HDVacek]

Originally Posted by jumbodbassman

i have the avatar 212 with the mag not neo deltas and it sounded pretty good. however i had trouble with the pf500 cutting out with it as someone else did iwth an avatar cab. probably a coincidence but jsut letting you know. maybe they avatar are not as efficient which caused us to crank it up and caused the limiter kicking in. I got the svt 7 and so far so good and sounds little better than the 500. if you are goibng to use that combo i would bring the cab to the store nd crank it up. took third song for mine to happen.

+1 on the ohms...

Thanks for the info on that, Ill just have to see if I get any problems... Im really hoping I'll be golden though

[SBsoundguy]

I had a B212 with delta 12lfs. It was never loud enough for unsupported live gigs. Wasn't loud enough to compete with a guitarist with a 4x12 either.

[jeff7bass]

If your B212 is 4 ohms and you buy the Ampeg then that’s your amp, no adding more speakers because you’ve reached the minimum load of 4 ohms. Should get plenty loud though! If you’re dead set in getting a second 4 ohm cab then consider a Carvin BX1500 head, which has two internal amps and will power each cab with 450w (900w total in bi-amp mode). It’s on sale for 500 bucks right now. Stupid price for a phenomenal head.
You have to ask yourself this question though, “will I ever really need that much firepower?”. Probably not. Big cover bands around me have bassplayer’s with shrinking rigs because of all the monitor support, and 500w into a good 212 is plenty loud for small-to-medium sized gigs. Remember you can always add another head/cab to the equation and running in stereo has plenty of benefits when it comes to sound.
If you get the Ampeg and still want another Avatar B210, later you can get a PF-350 to power it for small gigs/rehearsals and combine the two amps for your stereo rig using a Sansamp as a splitter! This is ultimate flexibilty plus you'll have a full backup rig if one fails.

[NWB]

Originally Posted by jeff7bass

If you get the Ampeg and still want another Avatar B210, later you can get a PF-350 to power it for small gigs/rehearsals and combine the two amps for your stereo rig using a Sansamp as a splitter! This is ultimate flexibilty plus you'll have a full backup rig if one fails.

Good point. The PF500 has jacks on the back for slaving another head. The PF350 is so cheap that it would work spiffy for driving an extra 2x10.

I'll add that using two of the same cabs is typically the better approach though.

[jeff7bass]

Originally Posted by NWB

Good point. The PF500 has jacks on the back for slaving another head. The PF350 is so cheap that it would work spiffy for driving an extra 2x10.

I'll add that using two of the same cabs is typically the better approach though.

Not necessarily… The Sansamp has two outputs, one affected signal (for overdrive, distortion) and one unaffected parallel signal. Think about this, you can run the unaffected (clean) signal into the PF-500/B212 rig for full lows, then run the affected signal into the PF-350/B210 rig for mid-range overdrive and/or distortion. This is ultimate Geddy Lee/Chris Squire fantasy rig @ 850 watts!
With two heads, you have ultimate control over how much of each rig you want to hear and how much overdrive/distortion you want to blend in. Slaving heads removes that flexibility. It’s fine if you want the same sound going through both rigs however.

[NWB]

Originally Posted by jeff7bass

Not necessarily… The Sansamp has two outputs, one affected signal (for overdrive, distortion) and one unaffected parallel signal. Think about this, you can run the unaffected (clean) signal into the PF-500/B212 rig for full lows, then run the affected signal into the PF-350/B210 rig for mid-range overdrive and/or distortion. This is ultimate Geddy Lee/Chris Squire fantasy rig @ 850 watts!
With two heads, you have ultimate control over how much of each rig you want to hear and how much overdrive/distortion you want to blend in. Slaving heads removes that flexibility. It’s fine if you want the same sound going through both rigs however.

That would be a very cool rig. I was simply pointing out that the PF also offers the facility for slaving if the goal is for extra power.