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10-03-2010, 03:13 PM
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Hey all. I need a few opinions.
I have to chance to possibly trade my Ampeg pr410hlf for a mesa boogie PH 610? I don't know much about the mesa cab so my first question is is it a fair trade? Am I getting the better part of the deal? My other question is how do they compare? I play with a pick, mostly, and have a gritty tone and I keep the horn off. I'm after a Tight yet thick bottom end with plenty of mids and a sweet top end. Since I don't use the horn I like the cones to produce the highs.
Any advice?
Thanks,
jim.
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10-03-2010, 03:57 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Jersey | | | The Ampeg is a pretty darn good cabinet for pickstyle rock, but the Mesa might give you even more. Not having played one myself I'd be interested in hearing what others think as well. |
10-03-2010, 04:00 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dallas, TX | | Ampeg's PR cabs are great, but the Powerhouse 610 is the clear choice here. Tight, punchy, and loud.
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10-03-2010, 04:08 PM
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10-03-2010, 04:18 PM
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10-03-2010, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyjames77  Clear choice huh? Could you elaborate? | It's very clear to me. Maybe you should play it.
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10-03-2010, 04:42 PM
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10-03-2010, 04:56 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dallas, TX | | | Well yeah, for starters, you're comparing a 410 to a 610. Yes, that's a big difference. And 2nd, totally different voicings, even though that particular Ampeg cab is voiced more "modern" than the classic series, Mesa has a very different take on modern. It's apples and oranges, but totally dependant on YOUR tonal goals, which can't be described, only heard. Only thing for sure is, the 610 will be significantly louder.
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10-03-2010, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RickenBoogie Well yeah, for starters, you're comparing a 410 to a 610. Yes, that's a big difference. And 2nd, totally different voicings, even though that particular Ampeg cab is voiced more "modern" than the classic series, Mesa has a very different take on modern. It's apples and oranges, but totally dependant on YOUR tonal goals, which can't be described, only heard. Only thing for sure is, the 610 will be significantly louder. | Much appreciated!
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10-05-2010, 02:49 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2007 Location: Johnson City, TN | | | yeah man, I've played both, and currently have a mesa 610. It hands down wins. I let a bass player from a band that we played with recently use my cab, and afterwards he was telling me how much better he could hear, and that his rig (ampeg) was all mush. It's just loads louder, tighter, ballsier, bassier, sweeter, and better looking to boot. haha. I hope that helped some. You're getting the sweet end of the deal.
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10-05-2010, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by RickenBoogie Well yeah, for starters, you're comparing a 410 to a 610. Yes, that's a big difference. And 2nd, totally different voicings, even though that particular Ampeg cab is voiced more "modern" than the classic series, Mesa has a very different take on modern. It's apples and oranges, but totally dependant on YOUR tonal goals, which can't be described, only heard. Only thing for sure is, the 610 will be significantly louder. |
Very accurate assessment, IMO - I've played the PR-410HLF plenty of times, and although it's a great cab - it doesn't compare to the PH610 for all the reasons stated above... Also, it's probably the heaviest 410 on the market - and has gotta be close to the same weight as the PH610 - with 2 less speakers...
I like the PR-410HLF, but think the Mesa Powerhouse cabs do "modern" better, and that the SVT-410HLF does "classic" better...
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10-05-2010, 09:59 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Atlanta | | | And you might rethink turning the tweeter/horn off in the Mesa. I always did that too before I started using Mesa cabs. Just didn't like the sound. Now there's no need to worry about it, the high end on Mesa cabs just sounds too smooth/sweet with the tweeter set about 11-12 o'clock.
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10-05-2010, 11:52 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Arlington Heights, IL | | | Many good points have been made. The Mesa cabs have a nice midrange presence and will sound growly and large with a pick for sure. Good low end too. You can also put the high end crossover at 3 khz and it sounds really defined without being harsh.
The 410hlf is a midrange deficient cab and really does sound like a muddy mess. It goes lower than low and when turned up, it does not have a lot of definition unless you heavily cut below 150hz. I had two of them and my drummer constantly complained he could not hear me well at all with it.
Go for the Mesa610 if you want actual tone and the 410hlf if you want a muddy low mess. 410hlf would work well for a reggae band or soemthing needing LOW bass..... |
10-08-2010, 11:03 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Just South of Chicago | | | Got the mesa PH, a 90's one, and everything that was said is true. It KILLS the ampeg.
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10-08-2010, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyjames77 Got the mesa PH, a 90's one, and everything that was said is true. It KILLS the ampeg. |
Congrats - I've been gigging a PH610 for around 2 years now, and have no intention of getting rid of it... In fact, I'm leaning towards picking up a PH810...
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10-08-2010, 12:50 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Just South of Chicago | | | That'd be frickin' in-sane dude. I can't imagine any more sound coming out of this box.
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10-08-2010, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyjames77 That'd be frickin' in-sane dude. I can't imagine any more sound coming out of this box. |
Well, my current main band has 2 guitarists - both playing thru Mesa 412s, one with a Triple Rec, the other with a 6505+, and our drummer is pretty loud... I sometimes gig an SVT810e for a cab instead of my PH610, and although having an extra pair of speakers up at ear level is nice with the Ampeg, it just doesn't have the a$$ of the PH610 - so, I'm thinking a PH810 will be the best of both worlds... We haul our backline in a truck, and always help each other - so, moving it won't be a big deal... Also, I have an F150, so I can move it myself if necessary...
Besides, think of how cool my BB750 will look on top of a PH810 - also striking fear into the hearts of guitards, hahaha!!!
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10-08-2010, 01:35 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Just South of Chicago | | | Don't get me wrong. I would love the ph810. Its rock and roll!
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10-08-2010, 01:47 PM
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