Anyone done a 1x10 based on the Deltalite 2510-II ? Small box

[4Mal]

I'm in need of a
1. small
2. light

stage monitor.

My volume requirements are quite low. The primary use for this would be doing support for acoustic guitars and singers while I'm playing my ABG or other piezo bass.

I have other gear to support anything else I want to do where there is a higher volume requirement... heck, I could run it as a top box on top of my fEarful 12 sub if the situation warranted.

Emmy's suggestion of 1.366 cuft, a single 4 " round port and f3 of about 60 might do the trick. The F3 is a little high but the FOH is doing the heavy lifting so I can probably learn to deal.

I'm thinking a 2 way cab using the Alphalite 6" and doing a simple hi pass on that in the 2K - 3K range - I'll be shy in that range but I'm good with that as it's the fret clack zone for me and I often scoop up there anyway ...

Anybody out there in TB-land tried that design ? Got a better idea that is also SMALL and LIGHT ?

Thanks!

[rpsands]

I'm still waiting for Greenboy to design the fEarful 8/6 for us before I consider another cabinet. And hoping the B&C 8BG51 lives up to its quoted specs

Deltalite and an Alphalite 6 seems like a fine combination.

[KJung]

Didn't realize you were looking for DIY only... erased my post.

[Roadkill]

http://www.flitecabs.com/bass/
I'm not sure what driver they normally use in the 110BN but I'm sure you could spec the one you want.

[4Mal]

Originally Posted by rpsands

I'm still waiting for Greenboy to design the fEarful 8/6 for us before I consider another cabinet. And hoping the B&C 8BG51 lives up to its quoted specs

Deltalite and an Alphalite 6 seems like a fine combination.

Guess I wasn't paying attention. Is that 8.6 a reality or are you just hoping it's going to happen ?

Originally Posted by Roadkill

http://www.flitecabs.com/bass/

I'm not sure what driver they normally use in the 110BN but I'm sure you could spec the one you want.

Thanks - but this will be DIY.

[rpsands]

Originally Posted by 4Mal

Guess I wasn't paying attention. Is that 8.6 a reality or are you just hoping it's going to happen ?

Just hoping at this point. I did enter the driverfile and send it to Greenboy but haven't heard anything more

I think the challenging part of it would be crossover design since you'd really need the actual driver. Apparently B&C specs are out of the range of what they post a lot of times.

[MNAirHead]

I have one.. we did a few mockups to find one that worked right.

Mine down fires.. weighs about 23# and looks like a stool..

We did it like this as some acoustic venues don't allow amps and are clueless that it isn't a stool

[4Mal]

Got a pic of that ? Maybe rough specs ? Speaker cab masquerading as a cajon ... I love it.

[4Mal]

bumpn'

[greenboy]

When it comes to monitors, as it does with any other enclosure, small either means limited bass response and general gutlessness, or not so sensitive.

What is it you want again? Full range signals, or just vocals? It seemed like a little bit of a mixed message there. Frankly for small monitors, some of the commercial offerings in poly boxes are your best bet. Just HPF them so they aren't trying to make bass.

[abarson]

For a DIY bass cab with a 2510, look at the BFM Jack 10:
http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/Jack.html

For a DIY monitor with a 2510, look at the BFM Wedgehorn 10:
http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/W10.html

[abarson]

Originally Posted by MNAirHead

I have one.. we did a few mockups to find one that worked right.

Mine down fires.. weighs about 23# and looks like a stool..

We did it like this as some acoustic venues don't allow amps and are clueless that it isn't a stool

I've been thinking about making something like this lately, but maybe more like a cajon.

[rpsands]

The WH10 is frigging huge and heavy. The Jack 10 with a kick stand would be pretty solid for this application but definitely not have a smooth tone profile without a lot of eq. That's doable though.

[kraigo]

I've been playing around with WinISD and looking through the Eminence site for a couple of days. For me, the cheap and easy way to get into a 1x10 is to build something out pf an Eminence CA2010. It's got a lot of top end so you can do the job without a crossover/mid.

Greenboy has a WDR file for the CA2010 here: http://lowdownlowdown.com/greenboy/D...e%20ca2010.wdr

I mocked up one 15x10x12 (internal) this morning. 1.042 ft^3 tuned to 49 Hz (that driver seems to like 49Hz tunings) gives an F3 of 59.38Hz. 3.25" dia x 6.43" len front port.

The driver is about $90 here: http://www.bltsound.com/.

Good luck.

KO

[4Mal]

Originally Posted by greenboy

When it comes to monitors, as it does with any other enclosure, small either means limited bass response and general gutlessness, or not so sensitive.

What is it you want again? Full range signals, or just vocals? It seemed like a little bit of a mixed message there. Frankly for small monitors, some of the commercial offerings in poly boxes are your best bet. Just HPF them so they aren't trying to make bass.

Bass guitar stage monitor. Used with my Tacoma ABG in near acoustic voume settings. Low sensitivity woud be an easy trade off as with 300 watts in my GK micro I have power to burn.

Literally this is for monitor usage. We play quietly enough that we barely need vocal monitors - it's acoustic wine bar and coffee house stuff. So I'm not expecting 12.6 like performance. This is all about small and light, then deep, then sensitive...

I used to use Bag End 2x10's with an F3 in the low 60's, hi 50's (is my guess) and I was OK with those for a long time...

This thing will typically sit side stage and blow across the band as opposed to out front.

Last night I did a sit in with acoustic guitar and alto sax. Very small room. I took my Fender Princeton Reverb. I stuffed the Princeton head into a Fender Deluxe sized cabinet and mounted and old Altec 12 - it sounded pretty dang sweet! Most everything does through that amp... so my volume requirements are obviously very low for this specific application.

I already have the two 12.6 cab's and 12/sub if I feel the need to create a seismic event...

[DukeLeJeune]

Originally Posted by 4Mal

Emmy's suggestion of 1.366 cuft, a single 4 " round port and f3 of about 60 might do the trick.

That Eminence suggested box is tuned to 58 Hz, which imho is too high to protect against fartout unless you use a protective high-pass filter. Tunings in the mid to maybe upper 40's usually work better from a fartout standpoint, though that would move your F3 even further north. Tradeoffs, always tradeoffs.

[Roadkill]

Originally Posted by 4Mal

This thing will typically sit side stage and blow across the band as opposed to out front.

Why not an SVT210AV?

[4Mal]

Too big and ... not DIY ...

[Crockettnj]

FWIW:
I built a rather tall and relatively thin 1x10 with a deltalight 2510 and tweeter (no mid). net internal vol about 1.7 or 1.8, tuned to 50hz and a generous port. I sold it, and frankly miss it.

I now have a much smaller box of 1 ft internal and an S2010 in it tuned to about 50hz (not exactly sure). This too has plenty port area.

The deltalight in that size really kicked butt for a 1x10 with a pretty small pack space.

Comparing the two, the S2010 has no where near as much downeither "flat" or after EQing and playing at volume. Perhaps expected, as its a smaller cab. My point, I guess if I have one, is consider giving the 2510 some room to breath. It can thump.

No mid needed on mine, though one may have been beneficial in a side by side comparison.

Consider, if size is a real concern, the BFM jack is about 2.8 ft external. No, not big, but its not tiny either for a 1x10.

[kraigo]

The easiest way forward is the CA2010, as I mentioned earlier. If you want more performance, cost and complexity, consider:

Crossover:
http://www.eminence.com/proaudio_cro...l_link=PXB2500

L-Pad:
http://www.eminence.com/proaudio_cro...il_link=PXLPAD

Mid:
http://eminence.com/proaudio_speaker...6&SUB_CAT_ID=2

I was thinking of a BP102 when I decided to go with these for the crossover, mid and L-Pad. I think the mid is the same one the fEarful's use. Model a 2510 in WinISD or use Eminence's own examples here:

http://eminence.com/pdf/cab-deltaliteII2510.pdf

KO