Arnopol composite - greenboy cabs have gone low cal - have your cake and eat it too!

[CL400Peavey]

There is a thread about that particular cab. Gc pirated the drivers in it, so that cab is a total rip off.

[Mike Arnopol]

Originally Posted by JxBass

To clarify, when I said that I understood the F110 was similar to the F112 I meant in sound, not volume. And if the F110 is supposed to be similar to a Crazy 88 in output I still believe an F210 would satisfy 99.9% of my needs.

Based on my Crazy 88, Crazy 8/88, Crazy 88/88 experience, if an F110 has equivalent output to a Crazy 88, and a Crazy 8/88 combo satisfies 99.9% of my needs, I predict an F210 would also satisfy 99.9% of my needs.

All extrapolation and completely within the YMMV framework

Just to let you know---

Very true--the F110 goes the equivalent volume of the 88.
The F112 will go to a similar volume of an 88/8 combo.

[majortoby]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

There is a thread about that particular cab. Gc pirated the drivers in it, so that cab is a total rip off.

Whoah. That is so beyond uncool. Probably not criminal, per se, but shady would be an undue compliment.

[willsellout]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

There is a thread about that particular cab. Gc pirated the drivers in it, so that cab is a total rip off.

Wow, and you wonder why they are on the verge of going out of business.

[Stumbo]

Originally Posted by rpsands

You know what's interesting is I could gig with an F115 invariably, but in practice I need the two 15s. Our practice studio is just weird, the drums are so loud in there we've got to have a ton of volume, and it eats bass.

Another nice thing about the 2x15 is that even a 500 watt micro head will crush with it, too, so it opens up your options with amps.

We used to surround the drums with sound board to his eye level or cymbal level, a cheap and effective solution.

[3rdcurve]

Any word on the Fearless 212?

[pbasswil]

I've only been able to play my newly received Dually (the one pictured in the OP) at apartment volume. But so far all is more than well.

I'm really happy with the design choices I made -- handles at all 4 sides of the top, removeable casters, suitcase style side handles.

It's so convenient to handle/move this cab. (w/ heavy-duty wheels: around 47 lbs!). And I can lash my (light-but-deep-ish) rack case onto those handles for security.

One thing surprised me: It's a very shallow design to start with; well, when you put your hand in the vent and feel the padding, you realize: this cab has minimal internal volume!

It kind of sounds like it. With the Kapalite 3015s, this does not naturally have organ-deep lows.
However, with a titch of EQ, you can get just about whatever you want out of it.

I can't wait to get it into context -- my guitarist's project, with excellent original music. I'll report back after Friday's rehearsal.

Kudos, Mike!

[willsellout]

Those Dually's are sexy.

[Mike Arnopol]

If you compare the 3015 to the Faital---the Faital has more low end. But the 3015's can handle a bit more power so eq-ing to add some lows is no problem. It will still be a bit more focused of a low end than with the Faitals.

Faitals= warmer low end (but a bit less control) non-aggressive mids and higher extension---more of a vintage sound with a touch more high end extension

3015= not as much low end but more focused---a bit more aggressive mids---really cuts through without being harsh

[willsellout]

Originally Posted by Mike Arnopol

If you compare the 3015 to the Faital---the Faital has more low end. But the 3015's can handle a bit more power so eq-ing to add some lows is no problem. It will still be a bit more focused of a low end than with the Faitals.

Faitals= warmer low end (but a bit less control) non-aggressive mids and higher extension---more of a vintage sound with a touch more high end extension

3015= not as much low end but more focused---a bit more aggressive mids---really cuts through without being harsh

3015's are right up my alley then.

[rpsands]

For 9 out of 10 people I'd recommend the Faitals. They just sound better without lots of knob twisting (imho). Easier to add mids than to add bass (most amps get muddy fast when you start adding bass).

Just my two pence.

[pbasswil]

M Arnopol wrote:
...3015= not as much low end but more focused---a bit more aggressive mids---really cuts through without being harsh

Originally Posted by willsellout

3015's are right up my alley then.

I play a neck-thru with Bart humbuckers; but with the neck p.u. soloed, it does a jiffy Pbass imitation. I've been listening to a bit of G Porter Jr/Meters today.

So I'm dying to try "P bass" thru this cab!

[OtisRocks]

Has anyone tried a Faital loaded Bassic 15 with a Streamliner 600? I'm looking for something a little louder than my Thunderchild 112AF for my roots rock (Elvis to the Beatles and beyond...) band. The Thunderchild will likely continue to get the call for my other more R&B/funk oriented project which carries a larger PA.

Any comments would be appreciated.

[barryaudio]

Originally Posted by Mike Arnopol

The F110 is only marginally smaller than the F112. Nearly the same weight. The f112 goes about 50% louder than the F110.

I think that the F112 is the magical little speaker in the GB line.

If you just go by Vd to compare max low-end SPL:

F110: 300cc
F112: 500cc
F115: 850cc

The great thing about these three cabs is they all sound the same! Choose the the biggest (or smallest) one you need for the job. For me, the F115 is the most versatile for the type of gigs that I play. It can cut through with authority when backlining with a power FOH system. It can also carry with a 5-piece rock band for the smaller clubs. The cool thing about the F110 is that it is THE smallest and lightest cab that gives the low end performance that I need. If someone loves the sound you get from the fearful/fearless but wants the smallest possible package, this is definitely the way to go.

[rpsands]

Well, you need to factor in sensitivity as well as Vd.

300cc + 91 db sensitivity vs. 850cc + 97db sensitivity is a bigger difference than just looking at the vD implies. You're talking somewhere in the neighborhood of 12db max spl difference between the F110 and F115 for bass guitar rather than the 6-9db the vD difference would imply.

[Mike Arnopol]

Originally Posted by OtisRocks

Has anyone tried a Faital loaded Bassic 15 with a Streamliner 600? I'm looking for something a little louder than my Thunderchild 112AF for my roots rock (Elvis to the Beatles and beyond...) band. The Thunderchild will likely continue to get the call for my other more R&B/funk oriented project which carries a larger PA.

Any comments would be appreciated.

You know, with the Steamliner it's a tougher choice. The huge tubey low end on the Streamliner might be a good combination with the 3015. The Faital might be a bit tubby/loose. Likely a bit more volume with the 3015. If you were to say the Shuttlemax or a GK I'd definitely say the Faital. A Tonehammer sounds great with the Faital. But the streamliner might benefit from the 3015. Their strong/weak points might balance each other.

[barryaudio]

Originally Posted by rpsands

Well, you need to factor in sensitivity as well as Vd.

300cc + 91 db sensitivity vs. 850cc + 97db sensitivity is a bigger difference than just looking at the vD implies. You're talking somewhere in the neighborhood of 12db max spl difference between the F110 and F115 for bass guitar rather than the 6-9db the vD difference would imply.

Well, one must consider both to get the full picture. You need to properly model both mechanical and thermal limits to understand the actual capabilities of a cab. Also, it is important to note that those sensitivity measurements are skewed by averaging over a range, rather than performance below a couple hundred Hz. There is a reason why the spec sheets don't go below 100 Hz.

[Horny Toad]

Originally Posted by willsellout

Those are just outstanding. Can't imagine the cost of these, but I'm sure they are worth it.

I can imagine it. Just placed an order for a copy of rpsands' Fearless 215 (minus tweeter).

[rpsands]

Get the tweeter man, it's like 50 bucks and gives you the option to do the PA thing if you want.

[Horny Toad]

It isn't a money thing at all. It isn't like I'm trying to save money buying a cab like this.

I honestly have no use for it. The cab will be for my bass rig, never for anything else. I play a PJ with TI Flats. No need for "air" and "sparkle". My 1212/6 has a tweet, and it's always turned down all the way. I totally understand why many players want or need it. For me, it's just a waste.