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[Bassist30]

Originally Posted by PDGood

As a TC115AF owner this concerns me. What options will we have if a speaker blows?

You can find them online I would hope.

[PDGood]

Originally Posted by DukeLeJeune

Contact me and I'll send you a new one if it's under warranty, or sell you a new one if we're out of warranty. Hopefully the minimum quantities will come back down before my stash of backup woofers runs out, but I'm playing the game fairly conservatively on my end, as far as the number of backup woofers I'm hanging on to (once current orders are filled I'll have about forty 115's out in the field, and I have fifteen woofers in reserve, they've been on the market for about a year and nobody's blown one yet).

Worst case scenario, I'll figure out how to retrofit the Faital woofer, or some such.

I should have known given your background for great customer service that I had nothing to worry about. Sounds like you're more than fully prepared for all possibilities. Thanks.

[kringle77]

Back to the Hathor vs ml112 thing. It looks like the ml112 has a baked in sound with the mids peaking right where you would want them for a cutting but not annoying sound. Knowing which drivers are used in the Hathor, I would assume that the cabs sound profile is more or less flat and that any growl in the sound comes from most likely running the woofer fullrange? Im not asking for any design secrets but, this seems to jive with what Tom described. The more the upper mids are highs are cranked, the more grind the woofer would put out but, the 4" drivers would most likely stay pretty clean. Thats kind of what I've been doing with some of my experiments and it's a strategy that works well. Im actually surprised that Duke didn't have a switch installed to switch of the 4" drivers like switching off the horn on the TC112. Probably decided against it because he was going for more of a sound or character with the 1544.

[DukeLeJeune]

Originally Posted by kringle77

Back to the Hathor vs ml112 thing. It looks like the ml112 has a baked in sound with the mids peaking right where you would want them for a cutting but not annoying sound. Knowing which drivers are used in the Hathor, I would assume that the cabs sound profile is more or less flat and that any growl in the sound comes from most likely running the woofer fullrange? Im not asking for any design secrets but, this seems to jive with what Tom described. The more the upper mids are highs are cranked, the more grind the woofer would put out but, the 4" drivers would most likely stay pretty clean. Thats kind of what I've been doing with some of my experiments and it's a strategy that works well. Im actually surprised that Duke didn't have a switch installed to switch of the 4" drivers like switching off the horn on the TC112. Probably decided against it because he was going for more of a sound or character with the 1544.

The Hathor 1544 has two switches: One toggles between woofer "wide open" and woofer "smoothed on top a bit", and the other toggles between "4-inch mids wide open" and "4-inch mids smoothed around 8 kHz a bit". I didn't really plan out the switchology in advance, just looked at the curves and they sort of said "put a smoother circuit here and here".

As for switching off the mids, well I don't know of anyone who actually uses the TC112 with the tweeter off, nor has anyone complained that such a switch isn't included on the TC115, so I think its real-world utility is marginal. Also, I really only have room for two switches on the dish that I use, and I think the two that are included are more likely to be useful.

[Bassist30]

Originally Posted by DukeLeJeune

The Hathor 1544 has two switches: One toggles between woofer "wide open" and woofer "smoothed on top a bit", and the other toggles between "4-inch mids wide open" and "4-inch mids smoothed around 8 kHz a bit". I didn't really plan out the switchology in advance, just looked at the curves and they sort of said "put a smoother circuit here and here".

As for switching off the mids, well I don't know of anyone who actually uses the TC112 with the tweeter off, nor has anyone complained that such a switch isn't included on the TC115, so I think its real-world utility is marginal. Also, I really only have room for two switches on the dish that I use, and I think the two that are included are more likely to be useful.

Duke with the new cabinets you are making why are they not on your site with prices etc.

[DukeLeJeune]

Originally Posted by Bassist30

Duke with the new cabinets you are making why are they not on your site with prices etc.

Because I'm way behind on getting my website updated, unfortunately.

[kringle77]

Duke, I totally agree about the switches. It's good to hear the woofer can be fullrange. Thats where I'll get the growl from and the 4" drivers are the icing on the cake.

[Bassist30]

Originally Posted by DukeLeJeune

Because I'm way behind on getting my website updated, unfortunately.

See what you started? You made bass cabinets and now you have much interest. Thats because you have a good product.

[Basically Bob]

Is the 112 available in a composite build?

Originally Posted by DukeLeJeune

The new 8-ohm TC112 will have the same dimensions and weight as the original 4-ohm TC112, to within a few ounces (the difference would be in crossover parts). So that's 22" tall by 14" wide by 14" deep, and 31 pounds. I've been over-stating the weight of the 4-ohm TC112, so even if the inductors are a little bit heavier we'll still be within specs. Pricing will be the same, as will the port tuning, but the 8-ohm version will sound like it's tuned lower. This is because the parameters of the stock Kappalite 3012LF woofer lend themselves to a stronger bottom end, trading off a bit of efficiency along the way.

The "voicing" of the 8-ohm version will have a bit more upper midrange energy, like what you've been reading about the TC212. Will probably use the same compression driver as the original TC112, and if so, the price will be the same.

Lead time's probably not going to get any better, sorry!

[shrigg]

Originally Posted by Basically Bob

Is the 112 available in a composite build?

No, just the 115 and the 212

[KJung]

Originally Posted by shrigg

No, just the 115 and the 212

+1 The TC112 is so small and lightweight already that Mike and Duke didn't really feel the extra expense of the composite build would be worth it for that particular cab.

Had another wonderful weekend with the Nord VP5, the Aguilar TH500 and the TC115 Composite. What a lightweight hammer that rig is, and the TH500 just GRINDS for a great P tone, and real low end through that cab. Wonderful ultra-light rig that handles any gig I would ever do.

[RobinC]

Originally Posted by DukeLeJeune

...The new rear-firing tweet will have a wider pattern, which I think will do the job better. I'm also looking into incorporating pole-mount and kick-back capability as standard features, to make the cab more versatile.

Just wanted to jump in and say that I would be stoked to see these features on the TC mark 2. Thanks for continuing to innovate, Duke!

[otto B]

I had the opportunity to visit Bass Northwest and test several amps with the TC212 this Saturday. I was really surprised which amp match perfectly with the TC212. The GK MB Fusion just kills with the TC212, I was blow away, and it almost sounds like the MB F500 except I think it was more clear. I hear a lot of player like the Aguilar; I will say that if you like old school sound that is the amp, I personally didn’t like it. Here is the ranking I give to these amps to be the perfect match with the TC212. This is my opinion, everyone have different taste.

1- GK MB Fusion
2- TecAmp Puma
3- MarkBass F500
4- Epifani picoolo
5- GK MB800
6- Genz Benz 6.2
7- Aguilar Tone Hamer 350

[KJung]

Originally Posted by otto B

I had the opportunity to visit Bass Northwest and test several amps with the TC212 this Saturday. I was really surprised which amp match perfectly with the TC212. The GK MB Fusion just kills with the TC212, I was blow away, and it almost sounds like the MB F500 except I think it was more clear. I hear a lot of player like the Aguilar; I will say that if you like old school sound that is the amp, I personally didn’t like it. Here is the ranking I give to these amps to be the perfect match with the TC212. This is my opinion, everyone have different taste.

1- GK MB Fusion
2- TecAmp Puma
3- MarkBass F500
4- Epifani picoolo
5- GK MB800
6- Genz Benz 6.2
7- Aguilar Tone Hamer 350

Sounds like fun! Always cool to get these heads through the same cab and same instrument. I always call the Aguilar the 'anti GK' and your list backs that up... TOTALLY different voicing. Your list also supports my feeling that the TecAmp Puma and Markbass F500 are quite similar (with a little VPF dialed in, the F500 gets really close to the Puma).

I LOVE the F500 with the TC112/115.... clean, punchy, accurate, without the extended brightness and zing of the GK (which I can see some loving) and a lower noise floor (hiss). If I didn't have the F500 for my J Bass with the TC112/115, I'd own a Puma500 for use with these cabs.

The TC112/115 really needs the 500 watt version of the TH500 to open up, but it will be a very, very different experience than the GK, Puma or F500, as you heard! All good stuff.

I really like having 'one amp from column A (clean, crisp, wide, relatively neutral like the GKfusion, the F500/Big Bang/LMIII, Puma500/900) and one amp from column B (fat, mid present, warm, a bit rough like the TH500) with the TC cabs that convey those very different voicings so accurately

Also, never was a huge fan of the EQ and inherent voicing of the Genz Shuttle amps, but the Shuttle Max 9.2 is amazing with the TC115.

[PDGood]

Originally Posted by otto B

1- GK MB Fusion
2- TecAmp Puma
3- MarkBass F500
4- Epifani picoolo
5- GK MB800
6- Genz Benz 6.2
7- Aguilar Tone Hamer 350

I haven't tried all of these amps but in general this list is consistent with my tastes as well.

Of course, the other factor is the bass. A more aggressive sounding bass works well with less aggressive amps and this cabinet.

It just all comes down to tone goals. I love the sound of a Pbass/LMlll/TC115 but lately I'm being called on to do more fills and soloing so in those cases I play a very aggressive Ibanez SRX instead of the P. For those of us who don't have a stash of high quality amps, switching the bass works too.

[Bassist30]

Originally Posted by KJung

Sounds like fun! Always cool to get these heads through the same cab and same instrument. I always call the Aguilar the 'anti GK' and your list backs that up... TOTALLY different voicing. Your list also supports my feeling that the TecAmp Puma and Markbass F500 are quite similar (with a little VPF dialed in, the F500 gets really close to the Puma).

I LOVE the F500 with the TC112/115.... clean, punchy, accurate, without the extended brightness and zing of the GK (which I can see some loving) and a lower noise floor (hiss). If I didn't have the F500 for my J Bass with the TC112/115, I'd own a Puma500 for use with these cabs.

The TC112/115 really needs the 500 watt version of the TH500 to open up, but it will be a very, very different experience than the GK, Puma or F500, as you heard! All good stuff.

I really like having 'one amp from column A (clean, crisp, wide, relatively neutral like the GKfusion, the F500/Big Bang/LMIII, Puma500/900) and one amp from column B (fat, mid present, warm, a bit rough like the TH500) with the TC cabs that convey those very different voicings so accurately

Also, never was a huge fan of the EQ and inherent voicing of the Genz Shuttle amps, but the Shuttle Max 9.2 is amazing with the TC115.

I was thinking the 9.2 instead of he TH500. I have said i would love to pull the plug on the TH500, as I want something small for certain gigs. At this point I want something with a good bottom but I don't want to sacrifice highs. I want to be able to get 8K out of it when needed.
Something that fits in the gig bag.

[rpsands]

Personally think people make a little too much of a big deal of amp voicings and pairings and stuff.

I've paired my TC with about six different amps now including direct into a mixing board into a cheap DJ power amp. Never not been able to get really nice sounds.

[steubig]

Originally Posted by rpsands

Personally think people make a little too much of a big deal of amp voicings and pairings and stuff.

been thinking on this of late: the whole holy grail deal. doesn't exist, imho.

[Brad Johnson]

Originally Posted by steubig

been thinking on this of late: the whole holy grail deal. doesn't exist, imho.

I found mine. These cabs are likely someone's.

[steve_rolfeca]

Originally Posted by rpsands

Personally think people make a little too much of a big deal of amp voicings and pairings and stuff.

I've paired my TC with about six different amps now including direct into a mixing board into a cheap DJ power amp. Never not been able to get really nice sounds.

My friend Emmanuel spent some quality time on Sunday, twisting knobs with his BTB 676 and my 112AF, Flite 110MH and G-K MB800/Genz Streamliner 900.

His comment was that with the Thunderchild, there wasn't a setting that he didn't like.

Still, with very different basses, pickups, strings and tastes, we were getting very different sounds. It all depends on what floats your boat...