Avatar B210 Neo Vs SB112 Neo

[mremic01]

I've already got a B210 Neo and I've been considering getting an SB112 to complement it. From what I've read, a matching 210 would be the best bet, but I've found that my 210 is a little much for apartment practice. By the time my LMIII starts to open up tonally, it's shaking the walls. I used to have a Roland Cube with a 12'' speaker that got a little loud, but was much more reasonable for practicing at home. I'd like to get the 112 and not another practice amp though, so I could stack it with my current cab if needed. How would the SB112 compare to the B210 volume-wise? Do you think they'd be similar to each other (way too loud), or would I be able to let the amp shine with less air being pushed?

[will33]

The 12 may sound a little deeper and not quite as loud but if you're playing in an apartment it'll still shake the place. Sitting it up on a chair or table may help a little but you'd still have to keep the volume down or pick up a little practice amp used for cheap just to play at home.

[shoot-r]

Originally Posted by mremic01

I've already got a B210 Neo and I've been considering getting an SB112 to complement it. From what I've read, a matching 210 would be the best bet, but I've found that my 210 is a little much for apartment practice. By the time my LMIII starts to open up tonally, it's shaking the walls. I used to have a Roland Cube with a 12'' speaker that got a little loud, but was much more reasonable for practicing at home. I'd like to get the 112 and not another practice amp though, so I could stack it with my current cab if needed. How would the SB112 compare to the B210 volume-wise? Do you think they'd be similar to each other (way too loud), or would I be able to let the amp shine with less air being pushed?

Your 2x10's cone surface area is approx. 110".
A 1x12 would be 80".
If all things are equal, cab size, porting, ect., the 2x10 should be "slightly" louder than a 1x12.
I agree with will33, a 1x12 will probably not be much quieter
Does the LMIII have a head phones out?

[sleepytime]

Originally Posted by shoot-r

Your 2x10's cone surface area is approx. 110".
A 1x12 would be 80".
If all things are equal, cab size, porting, ect., the 2x10 should be "slightly" louder than a 1x12.
I agree with will33, a 1x12 will probably not be much quieter
Does the LMIII have a head phones out?

I'd like to give you partial credit, but you didn't show your math.

[Malachi71]

Originally Posted by mremic01

I've already got a B210 Neo and I've been considering getting an SB112 to complement it. From what I've read, a matching 210 would be the best bet, but I've found that my 210 is a little much for apartment practice. By the time my LMIII starts to open up tonally, it's shaking the walls. I used to have a Roland Cube with a 12'' speaker that got a little loud, but was much more reasonable for practicing at home. I'd like to get the 112 and not another practice amp though, so I could stack it with my current cab if needed. How would the SB112 compare to the B210 volume-wise? Do you think they'd be similar to each other (way too loud), or would I be able to let the amp shine with less air being pushed?

I have a neo B210 and a neo SB112. The 1x12 is a little quieter than the 2x10 but they do complement one another. I use a Carvin DCM1000 power amp and two Sansamp RPM preamps. I biamp this system so if I need the 1x12 to be a little louder, I just turn up the gain. It's quite a rig. I have the gain turned up about 25% of full volume and the room shakes. Way too loud for my house.

[shoot-r]

Originally Posted by sleepytime

I'd like to give you partial credit, but you didn't show your math.

You'll have to take it up with Bass Player magazine...
That's were the numbers came from...
Note in my post...Approx.= approximate...from Webster's N.W., 1...much like, resembling 2... more or less correct or exact...come near to.

[sleepytime]

Originally Posted by shoot-r

You'll have to take it up with Bass Player magazine...
That's were the numbers came from...
Note in my post...Approx.= approximate...from Webster's N.W., 1...much like, resembling 2... more or less correct or exact...come near to.

They must be subtracting the area of the dustcaps.

[4Mal]

I ran that setup for a while. I ended up selling the 2-10 and keeping the 12 much longer. The 2-10 is pretty scooped in comparison to the 12 and tonally I dug the 12 more. I looked for ages for another SB112 and finally gave up in favor of DIY cabs. I only sold the SB112 off when I went fEarful.

Before the Avatar 'short stack' I ran a Schroeder 21012L. that was a heck of a nice cab. The avatar got me real close to the same thing - which I thought was pretty cool given the price differential and the modularity - an advantage for me ...

[Malachi71]

Originally Posted by 4Mal

I ran that setup for a while. I ended up selling the 2-10 and keeping the 12 much longer. The 2-10 is pretty scooped in comparison to the 12 and tonally I dug the 12 more. I looked for ages for another SB112 and finally gave up in favor of DIY cabs. I only sold the SB112 off when I went fEarful.

Before the Avatar 'short stack' I ran a Schroeder 21012L. that was a heck of a nice cab. The avatar got me real close to the same thing - which I thought was pretty cool given the price differential and the modularity - an advantage for me ...

Interesting...to my ears the 2x10 accentuates a little more of the mids and high mids...more growl, whereas the 1x12 lows and low mids...more round. Perhaps it's the preamps I'm using and how I have it eq'd. Regardless, it's a fine little stack!

[4Mal]

EQ - that might be the culprit there. Side by side, the 2x10 is voiced deeper than the 1x12. I ran mine with a variety of heads. Eden, GK, ART Tube Channel driving a PLX 2402 - with mostly neutral EQ settings.

IMO - the SB-112 is real bargain. By far the best thing in it's price range and maybe up to 2x that ... If I hadn't caught the fEarful bug, I'd probably be running pair of them.

[shoot-r]

Originally Posted by sleepytime

They must be subtracting the area of the dustcaps.

The numbers were from a old Bass Gear magazine put out by Bass Player magazine.
In the Tech Tips section.
I've always thought of it as a good rule of thumb, not as something accurate down to the last decimal point. I've always liked the way their chart showed the progression of how speaker size could add to your air movement capabilities.
Their numbers are:
(Cone surface area...approx.)
1x8...........35 sq. in.
1x10.........55 sq. in.
2x8...........70 sq. in.
1x12.........80 sq. in.
2x10.........110 sq. in.
1x15.........130 sq. in.
4x8...........140 sq. in.
2x12.........160 sq. in.
3x10.........165 sq. in.
1x18.........185 sq. in.
4x10.........220 sq. in.
2x15.........260 sq. in.
4x12.........320 sq. in.
6x10.........330 sq. in.
2x18.........370 sq. in.
8x10.........440 sq. in.

[Malachi71]

Originally Posted by 4Mal

EQ - that might be the culprit there. Side by side, the 2x10 is voiced deeper than the 1x12. I ran mine with a variety of heads. Eden, GK, ART Tube Channel driving a PLX 2402 - with mostly neutral EQ settings.

IMO - the SB-112 is real bargain. By far the best thing in it's price range and maybe up to 2x that ... If I hadn't caught the fEarful bug, I'd probably be running pair of them.

Well you got me thinking! I may experiment with this and try running the mids to high mids to the 1x12 and lows to low mids to the 2x10. Maybe I'm fighting some pretty good tones!

[thudfromafar]

I wouldn't do that, just run it full range. I did the same thing as 4mal, had a 210 and 112 at one point and came to the same conclusions, eventually got 2 112s and then caught the fEarful bug.

The 210 and 112 do compliment each other pretty well.