AvatarTB153 available @ 4ohms but not fEarful?

Bean639 · #1 11-04-2011, 01:28 PM

I could be mistaken here, but I'm pretty sure I was told that a single woofer fEarful is only available @ 8ohms. If this is the case then why/how are the Avatar cabs with the 3015lf available @ 4ohms?

Also. I know this has probably been beat to death but, how much of a compromise is the Avatar cab? i.e., What specific differences would I notice if I had them side by side?

I'm looking to upgrade my two Eden 410xlts. What do you think? Will the Avatar cabs be a big upgrade? Or, should I just buy the Mesa 412 that I always wanted? You know, just cause.

Thx TBers!

Mr. Foxen · #2 11-04-2011, 01:40 PM

Avatar can order enough drivers to get a specially made 4 ohm one. You'll need a bunch more power to get equal volume from one 15/6 as two 4x10s.

Bean639 · #3 11-04-2011, 01:46 PM

Yeah.... I planing on getting two. 450 watts into each.

greenboy · #4 11-04-2011, 01:52 PM

I just couldn't justify ordering from my 4-ohm OEM driver spec given

(1) Eminence's current OEM policy on neos
(2) the 8 ohm stock drivers' greater capabilities in a fEARful sized cab.

Bean639 · #5 11-04-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by greenboy

I just couldn't justify ordering from my 4-ohm OEM driver spec given

(1) Eminence's current OEM policy on neos
(2) the 8 ohm stock drivers' greater capabilities in a fEARful sized cab.

I'm not familiar with Eminence's OEM policy on neos. I'm not even familiar with the term OEM! HAHA! Either way, I'm sure it's a good reason.

On my side I'm having trouble justifying getting rid of a head that I love for a cab.

Bean639 · #6 11-04-2011, 02:07 PM

Do you think there might be single woofer 4ohm fEarfuls available in the future? Lets say... in about a year or so?

will33 · #7 11-04-2011, 02:52 PM

"Original Equipment Manufacturer" or something close to that.

Basically if I'm a company and I order drivers in quanity like 100 or 500 or 1000 of them at a time I can get them made to a spec I want, like a 4ohm 3015lf. What Greenboy did is basically design a top of the line cab and basically give us the formula. It makes no sense for eminence to setup a production run of a driver different from stock so some guys can trickle in orders of 1 or 2 at a time.

BurningSkies · #8 11-04-2011, 02:52 PM

Probably not, unless Eminence decides to release an 'over the counter' version of it all on their own.

dukeisdog · #9 11-04-2011, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bean639

I could be mistaken here, but I'm pretty sure I was told that a single woofer fEarful is only available @ 8ohms. If this is the case then why/how are the Avatar cabs with the 3015lf available @ 4ohms?

Also. I know this has probably been beat to death but, how much of a compromise is the Avatar cab? i.e., What specific differences would I notice if I had them side by side?

I'm looking to upgrade my two Eden 410xlts. What do you think? Will the Avatar cabs be a big upgrade? Or, should I just buy the Mesa 412 that I always wanted? You know, just cause.

Thx TBers!

Get the Mesa. It's what I'm doing.

greenboy · #10 11-04-2011, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bean639

Do you think there might be single woofer 4ohm fEarfuls available in the future? Lets say... in about a year or so?

Yes. Hopefully in a third to one half that time. But people should be aware the 8 ohm version has a lot of advantages in a fEARful. Personally, I like it a lot better.

Bob C · #11 11-04-2011, 03:02 PM

Bean,

What's wrong with getting an 8 ohm cab? Didn't you say you wanted two of them anyway?

Blues Bass 2 · #12 11-04-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob C

Bean,

What's wrong with getting an 8 ohm cab? Didn't you say you wanted two of them anyway?

Avatar only offers the TB153 with the 3015LF in 4 ohms right now .

Bean639 · #13 11-04-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by greenboy

Yes. Hopefully in a third to one half that time. But people should be aware the 8 ohm version has a lot of advantages in a fEARful. Personally, I like it a lot better.

What is better about the 8ohm config? Translated for a dummy like me.

Bean639 · #14 11-04-2011, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob C

Bean,

What's wrong with getting an 8 ohm cab? Didn't you say you wanted two of them anyway?

I have an edenWT800a. 4 ohms per channel 8 bridged. I read somewhere that a 15/6/1 "loudness" equivalence is about a 610. I really want the "loudness" of at least a (good) 810. Plus, I like the versatility of two cabs for when I don't need to be stupid loud.

will33 · #15 11-04-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bean639

What is better about the 8ohm config? Translated for a dummy like me.

You can't change a single spec, like impedance, without affecting at least some of the others, for better or worse. His design was built specifically around the parameters of the 8ohm 3015lf. You can still make it 4ohm and adjust things to have a good speaker but tradeoffs have to be made and crossovers have to be redesigned.

That's the very basics, Greenboy could explain further.

Bean639 · #16 11-04-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by will33

You can't change a single spec, like impedance, without affecting at least some of the others, for better or worse. His design was built specifically around the parameters of the 8ohm 3015lf. You can still make it 4ohm and adjust things to have a good speaker but tradeoffs have to be made and crossovers have to be redesigned.

That's the very basics, Greenboy could explain further.

yeah, sounds about right. I would like to know what real world applications this would mean in this situation. Aka, more boomy, different freq responses, ect...

Bean639 · #17 11-04-2011, 03:59 PM

BurningSkies... I just want to point out that if this works out for me, that we will have very similar setups. My ABZ is being built as we speak

anonymous02282011 · #18 11-04-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bean639

yeah, sounds about right. I would like to know what real world applications this would mean in this situation. Aka, more boomy, different freq responses, ect...

It's really impossible to know without the specific parameters around the 4ohm 3015LF.

Since it's an OEM driver semi-custom for Avatar, only they get the specifications.

It seems they're using the 4ohm as a drop-in substitute for the 8ohm. Unless the specs for each are fairly similar there is really no way to tell whether the same box size, port tuning and crossovers are optimized for the 4ohm driver.

Bob C · #19 11-04-2011, 04:11 PM

Bean,

If your amp can handle the lower load of two 4 ohm cabs (and apparently it IS designed to do so), then you can do that to squeak out more watts. Whether that will give you any noticeable increase in volume is questionable.

But I wouldn't rule out a fEarful simply because it's only available in an 8 ohm model.

Bean639 · #20 11-04-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by adbass

It's really impossible to know without the specific parameters around the 4ohm 3015LF.

Since it's an OEM driver semi-custom for Avatar, only they get the specifications.

It seems they're using the 4ohm as a drop-in substitute for the 8ohm. Unless the specs for each are fairly similar there is really no way to tell whether the same box size, port tuning and crossovers are optimized for the 4ohm driver.

Well it seems to me that greenboy knows since he has a solid opinion of the subject.