Baer Amplification; Part 2!!

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by CElton

I have a Neox212T. My ML112 sounds and feels just as "big" as the 212. However, for obvious reasons, the 212 can achieve overall higher volume.

Since getting the ML112, I rarely take the 212 out anymore. I always have PA support and the 212 was just more than I needed most of the time.

I will also say, I've never played another 112 that can achieve the volume and depth that the ML112 can. It's even louder than most 210's I've had the pleasure of using.

For context, I play in a New Country/Blues/Classic Rock band with Keys, 1 Guitar, and a Drums. I also play in a Fusion/Blues band with Keys, 1 Guitar, and Drums.

That's also promising since I gigged the Neox212 for quite some time. I really liked it but my tastes changed while using such that I wanted more aggression that the Neox didn't have. However I always loved that it was relatively tight and focused in the bottom and never boomy. That cab would pound if it was needed though. It could really hold down the bottom and take some EQ. I loved being confident that I could always grab it and go and not have to worry about having enough cabinet to get the job done. That's what is causing me some pause on the ML purchase. I know the ML212 would be like that, but it is almost 70 lbs. Not crazy heavy, but more trouble to get in and out of the SUV. Decisions, decisions.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Eublet

The AE212 was nice, but I wanted it a little tighter in the bottom end. A shift towards more upper mids would have made it the perfect cab for me, so that's a plus for the ML112. I was more curious that you would use the ML112 in a 7-piece band over the AE212 which I would assume to be a grand slam in that setting. I usually go for a more pillowy bottom in a busy mix rather than fighting the band by cutting through. However if the ML112 handles it from a volume perspective, then that is promising. I'm just on the fence about getting it versus the ML212 really. I don't really want two cabs anymore. Just a one and done, even if it means I'm overkill sometimes.

This is always a complicated issue. The AE212 will literally blow the ML112 (and any 112) out of the water in volume, low end, everything. That is kind of a 'duh' but there it is.

I do consider the ML112 a 'super 12' like my Thunderchild, meaning it has a driver that has superior mechanical spec's than the vast majority of 'production cabs (the Bergantino HT112ER/HD112 are the exceptions.. but I guess they really are a boutique thing also). My Thunderchild 115 can keep up with my AE212 nicely, the TC112 does not.

That all being said, SO much depends on the style of playing you do, and your tonal preference (and, of course, if you always have front of house). I've been discussing this with my buddy Bruce (B String). If you never slap and don't really dig in, it is amazing these days how small of a rig it takes to do even a large gig, especially if you are a sort of 'bridge pickup tone' sort of player. However, if you want to put a pillow under the band, and/or you use slap style, which can just bring a rig to its knees, I've found that none of the super 12's, nor high quality 210's can do the job.

So, it depends. With these improved 12" drivers from Faital and Eminence and others, I finally can cover any gig with a 212 (in my case, the AE212). That is pretty cool, since most 212's are significantly smaller and lighter than a 410. I can also cover a smaller gig with a single 112 and actually have some real, uncompressed low end!

Again, I would think of a single ML112 as similar in volume to a Bergantino AE210, but with a more open low end and a bit more even in the upper midrange. That is a VERY impressive thing.

[tombowlus]

Bass Gear Magazine issue #9 is now live. Here is a link to the ML-112 review. I have to reiterate, this is one of the finest cabs I have seen come through for review. It's very, very well put together!

[KJung]

Originally Posted by tombowlus

Bass Gear Magazine issue #9 is now live. Here is a link to the ML-112 review. I have to reiterate, this is one of the finest cabs I have seen come through for review. It's very, very well put together!

Nice review!

[GRoberts]

Wow! Outstanding review. Very nicely written, comprehensive and informative. Very impressive!

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by GRoberts

Wow! Outstanding review. Very nicely written, comprehensive and informative. Very impressive!

Thanks (from Alan and I, both).

[CTC564]

Originally Posted by tombowlus

Bass Gear Magazine issue #9 is now live. Here is a link to the ML-112 review. I have to reiterate, this is one of the finest cabs I have seen come through for review. It's very, very well put together!

Awesome review...your app is now on my iPhone!!!

[Chef]

Thanks y'all!

[Addison]

Yeah, thanks a lot Chef and Tom for making the ML212 wait THAT MUCH WORSE!!!

Ugh!!!




(Fantastic review, by the way... but I still hate you both.)

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by Addison

Yeah, thanks a lot Chef and Tom for making the ML212 wait THAT MUCH WORSE!!!

Ugh!!!




(Fantastic review, by the way... but I still hate you both.)

[Chef]

................

Originally Posted by Addison

Yeah, ... I still hate you both.

[Addison]

Ok, all is forgiven since that cat rules.

[JGR]

I read the review yesterday - very well done BGM! And Kudos to Roger for the quality and attention to detail from the construction side - very impressive!

[JimmyM]

Congratulations, Roger!

[B String]

Originally Posted by KJung

So, it depends. With these improved 12" drivers from Faital and Eminence and others, I finally can cover any gig with a 212 (in my case, the AE212). That is pretty cool, since most 212's are significantly smaller and lighter than a 410. I can also cover a smaller gig with a single 112 and actually have some real, uncompressed low end!

Again, I would think of a single ML112 as similar in volume to a Bergantino AE210, but with a more open low end and a bit more even in the upper midrange. That is a VERY impressive thing.

I do have to say that when I was spending time with the ML112, I did everything I could to take it to its limits. I even used it outside on a gig where my UL310 would barely be enough. It just killed. I even really like the handle Roger uses. Again, I can't say enough about how long we spent talking about box damping, (what material and how much of it) and low end tuning. I looked at the specs listed in the review. To my ear the low end on this box sounds a little deeper and more broad than the specs would indicate. And yet unlike many single 12 boxes the lows don't make my upright bass sound boomy or too wide on the bottom.

I must admit, I was a little surprised at the number of "big name" speaker box guys Roger got input from. Its cool how many of those guys give their knowledge to each other so freely.

So... The ML112 is light weight, louder than crap, yet still sounds great at low volume. Works for many music styles. I see why Roger is selling a lot of these boxes. Also, Roger is a great guy to deal with. He truly wants you to be happy.

[Ewo]

That BGM review is completely consistent with my personal experience with a pair of the ML112 cabs.

Yeah--they are that good.

[greenrositti]

Thanks for the review--another +1 to all the above. These cabs are manna from heaven, and Roger is the king of customer service. On my last gig of the season, I played the following rig: Celinder Vintage 5 > PWNZOR > TecAmp Puma Powersoft 500 > 2 x ML112 behind 2 powerhouse singers, 3 horns, and the loudest guitarist on earth into a BIG room.

During breakdown, our new guitarist's father came up to me and said, "Ryan, in all my years of going to hear my son play, I have never heard a bass sound that is so full and clear. Its awesome. What speakers are those?!?"

Baer ML112s, sir.

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by greenrositti

During breakdown, our new guitarist's father came up to me and said, "Ryan, in all my years of going to hear my son play, I have never heard a bass sound that is so full and clear. Its awesome. What speakers are those?!?"

Baer ML112s, sir.

Of course, you added, "And they've got armadillos in their trousers, sir," right?

[nordyboy]

Great review Tom, thank you.
Hearing is believing with these cabs. They have finally made it across the pond to the UK and I could not resist.
I previously was running a Hd 212 with a shuttle 9.0 which was amazing, but 2 of these ml112 cabs with the shuttle is nothing short of brutal and amazingly portable.
I am not sure that I will ever really push them to their limit even in the larger venues

[scotch]

Wow. That review in BGM may have me sold!