Baer Amplification; Part 2!! - Page 25

R Baer · #**481** 12-11-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chef

I'll agree, there's a diff b/t horizontal and vertical.

I don't perceive that as a dramatic make or break difference though.

I run them vertical pretty much always, and really don't even feel the need to add low end back via eq....

Keep in mind that with three ML112's, you will probably want to run them horizontally!

nostatic · #**482** 12-11-2012, 02:41 PM

naw, I'm gonna paint them white and join a Pink Floyd tribute band. Then I'll stack 'em vertical and then knock them down at the end of the set.

**Chef** · #**483** 12-11-2012, 02:45 PM

I don't see a three tall stack in my future.

I could see four.....if I squint just right.
2 x (2x112), vertical, side-by-side

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Originally Posted by R Baer

Keep in mind that with three ML112's, you will probably want to run them horizontally!

GregC · #**484** 12-11-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by R Baer

Keep in mind that with three ML112's, you will probably want to run them horizontally!

I'm 6'5" and I've dreamt of running three of them vertically.

Amp dials at eye level, woot!

CTC564 · #**485** 12-11-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GregC

I'm 6'5" and I've dreamt of running three of them vertically.

Amp dials at eye level, woot!

I'm feeling your pain but I always envisioned 8 ML-112's stacked horizontally in 2 separate stacks!!!

Addison · #**486** 12-12-2012, 09:43 AM

Hey, today would be a great day to open ordering for the ML212... being that it's 12/12/12 and all.

DiabolicLow B · #**487** 12-12-2012, 10:05 AM

I have just ordered a Baer ML112 to go with my MB Fusion, can't wait!

GRoberts · #**488** 12-12-2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Addison

Hey, today would be a great day to open ordering for the ML212... being that it's 12/12/12 and all.

Brilliant idea!

GregC · #**489** 12-12-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CTC564

I'm feeling your pain but I always envisioned 8 ML-112's stacked horizontally in 2 separate stacks!!!

Dream big!

Top_Ten · #**490** 12-12-2012, 10:39 AM

Has anyone mic'd an ML112 for recording in the studio and, if so, any tips on mic placement?

gillento · #**491** 12-12-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Top_Ten

Has anyone mic'd an ML112 for recording in the studio and, if so, any tips on mic placement?

Good question!

Is the 12" running fullrange?

Eublet · #**492** 12-12-2012, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gillento

Good question!

Is the 12" running fullrange?

No, I thought about this also in the past. The 12" driver only goes up to about 1.5khz, where it is 2nd order low passed at the cross over. You'd have a very dark tone if you only mic'ed the 12" driver.

gillento · #**493** 12-12-2012, 12:31 PM

That's what I tought I was hearing...

**Chef** · #**494** 12-12-2012, 12:55 PM

While I haven't had a reason to mic an ML112 yet, what I would do is:
use your favorite big diaphragm mic, back it off the cab about 18", and split the diff b/t the 12 and the 6, which, at that distance is gonna be minimal anyway.....

ymmv

scotch · #**495** 12-12-2012, 05:59 PM

Oh man! I hadn't thought about micing a cab with a crossover like that. Not very practical on stage. Hmmm... I may be forced into an Aggie non-tweeter 12" if I go the micro rig route. Shoot!

**Chef** · #**496** 12-12-2012, 06:59 PM

It's not an issue, really.
I've done it many times, with many two, and, three way cabs.

scotch · #**497** 12-12-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chef

It's not an issue, really.
I've done it many times, with many two, and, three way cabs.

An on-stage large diaphragm a foot & 1/2 from the cab? I suppose it can be done, but is pretty unconventional!

I hadn't even thought about micing a 2-way cab. It's definitely an extra 'hoop to jump through' with the engineer. Not sure if I'd even be micing a micro-rig though.

**Chef** · #**498** 12-12-2012, 07:12 PM

On stage, I wouldn't place it that far away.

Eublet · #**499** 12-12-2012, 07:55 PM

I was really on the verge of being afraid that this cabinet might be too upper-mid aggressive from all the demo'ing I've been doing. I don't have any gigs until after the holidays, so was debating on sending this one back. That was BEFORE I turned the thing sideways. The difference when doing this is very substantial to me. I'm sure it wouldn't matter much at all if you were standing 20 feet out in front of it, but a lot of my gigs I'm only 3-4 feet in front of the cabinet, sometimes sitting down which places that 6" driver even closer to your head. Laying the cabinet down horizontal is a pretty huge different IMHO, at least sitting here in my house with it. It's very huge.

So today I kind of started all over again with this cabinet. I introduced myself again, gave a few oohs and ahhs over how nice it looks, and then set my EQ flat and started tweaking from scratch as if I'd never heard it before.

It sounds MUCH better to me on the ground....or is it just breaking in even better such that the lows coming from the 12" driver are catching up to the 6" driver? I don't know, but it sounds WAY better to me like this. EQ adjustments I needed to even it out are much less also.

I'm so wishy washy...

Eublet · #**500** 12-12-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chef

On stage, I wouldn't place it that far away.

Yeah, on stage you really don't need to be that close. Recording in a studio is different, and one of these multi-drive cabinets wouldn't be my choice for that application anyway. Usually you want a full range driver to mix in with a DI to bring some warmth to the recorded tone, and honestly most any decent cab will do for that unless you need the specific overdrive characteristics of a certain head/cabinet.