Baer Amplification; Part 2!!

[Chef]

They're pretty different from each other!
Sometimes it's fun to try new stuff, and that's cool.

Even though "they're both three tubes in the preamp," they're really not very much alike, at all.
Which might be just what you want

[CElton]

Originally Posted by Chef

Even though "they're both three tubes in the preamp," they're really not very much alike, at all.
Which might be just what you want

Yep. Hoping for a change up. Had an M6 and dug it with my J basses. I've heard the M6 and MBFusion are in the same tonal universe. That would work for me.

[Chef]

yessir, they can be very similar, those two.

[willsellout]

Can anyone tell me the shipping costs they paid for the ML112 or ML212?

[Saluki]

Originally Posted by willsellout

Can anyone tell me the shipping costs they paid for the ML112 or ML212?

Think mine was like $38 for ml111 to central Illinois. Baers ship from Ohio I believe.

[nostatic]

Streamliner wasn't my thing either. Liked the MB Fusion but was just a bit edgy for me. Puma kills through the Baer, but Monique in front is heaven.

[GregC]

Originally Posted by Chef

I had an audition with a new project today.
I took my Sadowsky MVPJ5, GK MBFusion, and one Baer 112.

The guitar player actually stopped in the middle of one song and asked "What is that speaker, you rig sounds freakin' fabulous."

Yessir, yessir, three bags full.

Baer is the good stuff.

And you use rounds, too, right Alan? I swear, you must have been born with felt pads on your hands. In my hands, I fear that combo would produce nothing but "gankuh gankuh gankuh gankuh."

[Chef]

I'ts ture, I'm a rounds player, and general stainless at that.

It's also true that for whatever reason, my fingers+my technique make for a really fat sound.

[nordyboy]

After a week with the Staccato 51 and the Baers I think I may have found a perfect rig!
I tried this amp against the rh750, streamliner, terror 500, big bang.
Rh750 had a grind that was always very present, sounded very full with some eq.
Streamliner had big lows and smooth top but little in the way of mids without eq, not enough grind for me!
Orange was great through the cab but the DI sucks.
Big bang very balanced but sounded a little bright.
Staccato, huge lows, growly mids, sweet top end, so much power, lots of features sold! No more gas hooray
This amp is just about the best that I have heard through these cabs by far.
Thanks Jason and Ken for your suggestions and Mark Stickley for letting me sit in his shop for hours going from one amp to the next playing the same riffs over and over.

[Saluki]

Originally Posted by Chef

I'ts ture, I'm a rounds player, and general stainless at that.

It's also true that for whatever reason, my fingers+my technique make for a really fat sound.

Probably all the manicures

[Chef]

Don't mock my mani-pedi-ness.

[Addison]

Hey fellas...

I shot this quick and dirty video this morning on my iPhone of me playing my Zon 519 through the Streamliner 900 and into the Baer.

The MB BB750 is just there to look purty.

Anyway, I keep reading comments about how the Streamliner sounds woolly without a lot of mids and that is has a tame high end without any growl... and, I dunno if mine is special, but I get that stuff in spades. Unless I'm not understanding other people's definition of those terms, which is very possible.

In this video, my bass is completely flat... and, other than a very slight cut in mids and a very slight boost in treble, the Streamliner is also pretty flat. I zoom in on the settings so they can be seen better.

This is just an iPhone video, so it doesn't really capture the massively thick low and low-mid thing happening either... but I thought it might give anyone interested a general idea of what I'm experiencing and why I'm so happy. Tone is obviously a completely subjective thing... but this is one particular type of tone that makes me happy.

Also, if you change the video settings to a higher resolution, the sound will get better too.

Oh, and forgive my hack playing too... I was in my underwear and had only taken a couple of sips of coffee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53NXQjGnNm8

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Addison

Hey fellas...

I shot this quick and dirty video this morning on my iPhone of me playing my Zon 519 through the Streamliner 900 and into the Baer.

The MB BB750 is just there to look purty.

Anyway, I keep reading comments about how the Streamliner sounds woolly without a lot of mids and that is has a tame high end without any growl... and, I dunno if mine is special, but I get that stuff in spades. Unless I'm not understanding other people's definition of those terms, which is very possible.

In this video, my bass is completely flat... and, other than a very slight cut in mids and a very slight boost in treble, the Streamliner is also pretty flat. I zoom in on the settings so they can be seen better.

This is just an iPhone video, so it doesn't really capture the massively thick low and low-mid thing happening either... but I thought it might give anyone interested a general idea of what I'm experiencing and why I'm so happy. Tone is obviously a completely subjective thing... but this is one particular type of tone that makes me happy.

Also, if you change the video settings to a higher resolution, the sound will get better too.

Oh, and forgive my hack playing too... I was in my underwear and had only taken a couple of sips of coffee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53NXQjGnNm8

I just LOVED the Streamliner with the ML112. Clip sounds good! I also found the Streamliner sounded perfect literally flat with the Baer cab. That unique 'all tube amp' top end of the Streamliner (as you can hear on the clip, not solid state sizzly like many hybrids, but that crystal clear but still warm lower treble top end that works SO well with that particular mid driver).

The one thing the Streamliner does have is a bit of a dip in the upper mids, which again, yin yangs perfectly (IMO) with the very present upper midrange of the ML cabs. And finally, the big but very nicely controlled (nice hi passing) low end of the Streamliner just sits where it should with the ML cabs.

Perfect match-up IMO. With a P Bass, it is just stunning, and quite similar to the Bergantino 10" loaded AE cabs, which similarly yin yang with the Streamliner.

Wonderful!

[nordyboy]

Perfect match-up IMO. With a P Bass, it is just stunning, and quite similar to the Bergantino 10" loaded AE cabs, which similarly yin yang with the Streamliner.

Wonderful![/quote]
Guess that is why you are hearing it different to me, your p bass played with a pick sounds way different to my jazz bass played finger style.
Great that there is such a huge variety of gear now available to meet our very diverse tastes and requirements.

[BuffaloBob4343]

Originally Posted by KJung

I just LOVED the Streamliner with the ML112. Clip sounds good! I also found the Streamliner sounded perfect literally flat with the Baer cab. That unique 'all tube amp' top end of the Streamliner (as you can hear on the clip, not solid state sizzly like many hybrids, but that crystal clear but still warm lower treble top end that works SO well with that particular mid driver).

The one thing the Streamliner does have is a bit of a dip in the upper mids, which again, yin yangs perfectly (IMO) with the very present upper midrange of the ML cabs. And finally, the big but very nicely controlled (nice hi passing) low end of the Streamliner just sits where it should with the ML cabs.

Perfect match-up IMO. With a P Bass, it is just stunning, and quite similar to the Bergantino 10" loaded AE cabs, which similarly yin yang with the Streamliner.

Wonderful!

Ya see, this is PRECISELY why I should lose the web address to TB and never look back. Here I am, perfectly content with my Streamliner into my Uber 410 with my P-Bass esque Dingwalls, and now, I am Gassing again!

Ignorance is bliss, AND much easier on the bank account!

[PWV]

Originally Posted by BuffaloBob4343

Ya see, this is PRECISELY why I should lose the web address to TB and never look back. Here I am, perfectly content with my Streamliner into my Uber 410 with my P-Bass esque Dingwalls, and now, I am Gassing again!

Ignorance is bliss, AND much easier on the bank account!

True words were never spoken...*Still gassing for a Baer.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by nordyboy

I guess that is why you are hearing it different to me, your p bass played with a pick sounds way different to my jazz bass played finger style.
Great that there is such a huge variety of gear now available to meet our very diverse tastes and requirements.

+1 Actually, I have a quite modern sounding P Bass (Nordy) with nickel wounds and I play with my fingers. That being said, I never came to terms with the Streamliner and my J basses with any cabs. That head, IMO, besides needing a good dose of fat low mids from the bass, also benefits from a tight low end and a bright upper midrange from the cab (IMO and IME).

It is a unique head that needs to be worked at a bit to 'let the magic escape'. I was VERY impressed with the ML112 match-up, and would think the ML212 would be even better, given the wattage capability of the Streamlienr, and the impedance of the ML212.

I guess I should somehow repost all the clips I did with the ML112, but I'm trying not to get sucked back into that. So, at least for some context, my 'P Bass tone hero' is Bob Glaub... fat but very clean, and a nice touc of lower treble articulation. If I was an upper midgrange, aggressive, pick playing, type P player, I would most likely not particularly recommend the Streamliner with any cab.

[rpsands]

J-basses have a large natural midrange cut (related to the distance between pickups) that I would not expect to play well with the Streamliner. It'd probably work best with one pickup solo'd.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by rpsands

J-basses have a large natural midrange cut (related to the distance between pickups) that I would not expect to play well with the Streamliner. It'd probably work best with one pickup solo'd.

+1 The problem I found was that I could dial in nice burp and low mid punch, OR nice upper mid brightness and articulation, but had trouble doing both at the same time. The P Bass took car of the low mid punch all by itself, and with a cab like the Baer, the upper mids were taken care of by the cab. What you were left with was a glorious, warm, big, fat, organic P tone that you could keep clean as a whistle with no harshness up top. Really pretty magic for that particular P tone that I described above.... the sort of 'pop/country rock/folk sort of 'clean but warm' P Bass type tone you hear on those types of recordings.

IMO and IME!

[Addison]

FWIW, the Zon 519 I used in that clip is technically a jazz bass... and I'm playing it with my fingers.

Obviously, there's differences between it and a Fender Jazz, but the pickups are in traditional 60's spacing.