Baer Amplification; Part 2!!

[One Drop]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Yeah, that was a fun night. Crowd was totally into the straightahead jazz, and digging the funk as well.

I held off trying a Fodera for many years. I finally tried the Yin Yang Standard - went into the store wanting to hate it. I bought it the next day. That was my gateway drug. I now have a Yin Yang Deluxe that is just spectacular (chambered walnut body, ebony fingerboard, PJ setup) and a Matt Garrison Std (5 string, E-C). I liked that one so much I ordered a pair of fraternal twins that will be done early summer. 5-string, 34" scale, 24-fret neck-through Monarchs, strung E-C with drop D tuner, one fretted, one fretless. Them I'm done.

Damn that bass sounds incredible through that rig. Articulation and detail everywhere want it but nothing extraneous, pure beef and just enough grind and top where I like it, too.

These cabs really interest me, I know I would love them.

[LeonD]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Them I'm done.

If you're breathing, you're not done.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by One Drop

Damn that bass sounds incredible through that rig. Articulation and detail everywhere want it but nothing extraneous, pure beef and just enough grind and top where I like it, too.

These cabs really interest me, I know I would love them.

+1 Nostatic's clips are great! Always nice (and unfortunately rare) to have a number of clips with very different basses and players, with the cab held constant. You can really start to hear the inherent basic tone of the cab carrying through the different clips, but also how the cab reacts to different amps, players, techiques, etc., etc.

Nice extra data points to have, given that these are almost impossible to 'try before buy'.

I would just point out again that I REALLY dislike most midrange driver loaded cabs. I LOVE both Roger's choice for that mid-driver, and also the way he lets the woofer breath a bit more up top before the crossover kicks in. And his tweaking of his OEM driver to sound NOT like a PA subwoofer, but rather a VERY good bass guitar speaker with 'PA subwoofer spec's) is brilliant.

When you combine that with the amazingly high quality construction (check out the pictures of the components and the box construction in the Bass Gear Magazine review), it really is a winner, and would work for most players IMO.

I've played and/or owned almost every mid driver loaded cab out there, and Roger's is one of the only one's that (IMO) doesn't sound like a midrange loaded cab... it sounds like a very good one way cab that sounds 'better' than the typical high end bass cab (i.e., a bit more present top end that is still very paper cone and a low end that just POUNDS at those key upper bass/lower mid frequencies without having to have lots of external, complex EQ to make it work).

[CElton]

Has anyone paired a Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 or 9.2 with their Baer?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by B String

Do the Puma's give you enough eq control to make you happy as opposed to the other "micro" heads you've tried? Is there
much of a difference between the 500 and 900, other than output? I've been on the fence about a Puma 500 or 900 for a while now. I'm mostly using a Markbass F500 now. I'm told the Puma 500 might have more headroom then the F500.

I agree with you on the differences between the AE210 and the ML112. Good assessment.

Getting a bit OT here, but just quickly, IMO there would be no reason to purchase a Puma500 if you had an F500. Yeah, a bit cleaner, a touch less compression when pushed, but not enough to swap out, and the F500's EQ is more powerful.

In your case of often gigging high quality, small 8ohm cabs, the 900 run at 8ohms would probably be a life changer for you. The fixed four channel EQ on the Puma is amazing. Low, upper mid and treble virtually identical to the Markbass front end on the 'fixed EQ models' like the LMIII and F1, but the low mid control... oh baby, the fat, punchy, burp knob. Wonderful control.

I never used the 'taste filter' myself (too extreme for me, even used at very small 'off of noon/flat' settings) but it is a great control designed to go 'dub' when turned one way, and primarily designed for fretless players to cut lows and highs (a bit like the drive control on the TH500) to let the mwaw come out.

[nordyboy]

Originally Posted by CElton

Has anyone paired a Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 or 9.2 with their Baer?

I ran with a shuttle 9.0 and two ML112's for a while.
That set up does work depending on your tone goals.
Out of the box it is very bright, but can be warmed nicely by either boosting the low mid or reducing the upper mid, I would also boost the bass a little and push the tube a bit.
I ended up getting great results in the end but fancied a change.
Volume was never an issue, even with one cab there was plenty on tap, with two it got silly!

[CTC564]

Originally Posted by CElton

Has anyone paired a Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 or 9.2 with their Baer?

Been running the 9.2 on a stack of Baer ML-112's and have never been so happy and gotten more compliments.

It can get surprisingly loud but more important to me is the way it responds to my EQ changes. I use the footswich and Global Signal Shape along with an Aguilar Tone Hammer and VT Bass pedal and my "preset tones" are very diverse and very well represented by the Baer cabs...my amp EQ is set almost flat...

I can say with utmost confidence that I have ZERO gas for any other cab...adding some other configuration in the future would be "nice" but I'm not convinced that it'd be able to out perform the Baer's on any level.

[Chef]

Aaaahahahahaha!!!!!!!
That'll be the day.

Originally Posted by nostatic

Yeah......(deleted)..... Then I'm done.

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by B String

Thank you. DAMN! Now I really want one!

Just do it B-Man. Time to get off the pot.

[nordyboy]

[quote=CTC564;13763177]Been running the 9.2 on a stack of Baer ML-112's and have never been so happy and gotten more compliments.

It can get surprisingly loud but more important to me is the way it responds to my EQ changes. I use the footswich and Global Signal Shape along with an Aguilar Tone Hammer and VT Bass pedal and my "preset tones" are very diverse and very well represented by the Baer cabs...my amp EQ is set almost flat...

Do you use the low end boost most to fill out the low end?

[CTC564]

Actually I don't...amp EQ is set at noon...slight cut around 1kish...the only bass boost I use is the LF Boost that's set at noon (still haven't really figured those things out)

[nordyboy]

Originally Posted by CTC564

Actually I don't...amp EQ is set at noon...slight cut around 1kish...the only bass boost I use is the LF Boost that's set at noon (still haven't really figured those things out)

Interesting, I found that the filters on the 9.0 were not that usable, I understand the filters are revoiced on the 9.2 and for the better!
I wound the mid frequency back all the way and then boosted the mid and bass levels to between 1 and 2 o clock to taste. A great tip that I got off this forum.
That made my Nordy jazz bass in passive mode sound quite fat with a sweet top end.

[CElton]

Originally Posted by nordyboy

Interesting, I found that the filters on the 9.0 were not that usable, I understand the filters are revoiced on the 9.2 and for the better!
I wound the mid frequency back all the way and then boosted the mid and bass levels to between 1 and 2 o clock to taste. A great tip that I got off this forum.
That made my Nordy jazz bass in passive mode sound quite fat with a sweet top end.

Pretty sure he is talking about the 9.2 ShuttleMax which also has a cut/boost attenuator on the Global Filters.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by nordyboy

Interesting, I found that the filters on the 9.0 were not that usable, I understand the filters are revoiced on the 9.2 and for the better!
I wound the mid frequency back all the way and then boosted the mid and bass levels to between 1 and 2 o clock to taste. A great tip that I got off this forum.
That made my Nordy jazz bass in passive mode sound quite fat with a sweet top end.

You are talking about two different amps. He is talking about the variable filters on the Max 9.2, you are discussing the fixed on/off filters on the Shuttle. The Max execution is far superior, as is the dual semi-parametric midrange design.

Amazing head. Bigger than the Shuttle, but the extra features are WELL worth the size increase (including the wonderful FET channel).

[nordyboy]

Originally Posted by KJung

You are talking about two different amps. He is talking about the variable filters on the Max 9.2, you are discussing the fixed on/off filters on the Shuttle. The Max execution is far superior, as is the dual semi-parametric midrange design.

Amazing head. Bigger than the Shuttle, but the extra features are WELL worth the size increase (including the wonderful FET channel).

Sorry I thought the tube channel on the max was similar to the 9.0 set flat. I know it has a more thorough eq to work with, but the basic tone similar?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by nordyboy

Sorry I thought the tube channel on the max was similar to the 9.0 set flat. I know it has a more thorough eq to work with, but the basic tone similar?

The basic tone is similar. I was just discussing the voicing filters. They are variable on the Max and fixed level on the Shuttle. That makes them MUCH more useful in sculpting the low end with the lo freq hi pass shift/boost, and also the 'scoop' filter and the treble boost filter, which are IMO much too extreme on the Shuttle to be particularly useful.

Being able to dial those filters in at various levels on the Max is very powerful IMO.

[nordyboy]

Originally Posted by KJung

The basic tone is similar. I was just discussing the voicing filters. They are variable on the Max and fixed level on the Shuttle. That makes them MUCH more useful in sculpting the low end with the lo freq hi pass shift/boost, and also the 'scoop' filter and the treble boost filter, which are IMO much too extreme on the Shuttle to be particularly useful.

Being able to dial those filters in at various levels on the Max is very powerful IMO.

Sorry Ken, misunderstood you.
I also did not realise those filters were adjustable, learned something new today!

[KJung]

Originally Posted by nordyboy

Sorry Ken, misunderstood you.
I also did not realise those filters were adjustable, learned something new today!

It is a really nice feature upgrade versus the smaller Shuttles IMO.

[nordyboy]

Originally Posted by KJung

It is a really nice feature upgrade versus the smaller Shuttles IMO.

I would have found that feature really useful, and truth be told would have probably upgraded to a max 9.2 myself had I been aware!

[B String]

Originally Posted by CElton

Has anyone paired a Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 or 9.2 with their Baer?

I've used the 9.0 quite a bit with the ML112. The main bass I used with it was a 04 Fender mia dlx J V.
The settings I usually found working for me were bass @ 1:00,
mids at about 1K, down to 11:00, highs flat or @ 11:00.
I found that I used just about the same settings using the Berg AE210. If I needed more lows from the amp (not the speaker) I could add some with the active eq on the bass.

Roger preferred the Markbass LMII and the Eden Wt400. Not for power but more for the built in eq points.