Baer Amplification Part 3

[jasonbraatz]

Hmm. I'd bet the distortion sounded awesome...

[Blackjax]

Curious about something regarding these in particular and in general.

Has anyone paired the ML115 with either ML112 or ML212? Is a 12 too close to a 15 to pair with it in general? I see lots of people going with 2/410 or another 115.

From KJung's clips, I'm really digging the ML112.

[Eublet]

Search this thread and you'll find a short discussion on this.

[BluesyCat]

Read thru part 3 finally. Just realized that I'm in post #165! I'm no longer incognito! (Jk, it's okay.)

Listened to a few clips and determined that a single 112 would be fine but I really like that 115 too. But, I will have to wait to buy anything, unfortunately.

I'll have to make an effort to go see nostatic one of these days since we are in the same neck of the woods & I like SD tunes. I should just have nostatic come to my house with his cabs and he can demo them with my Sads!!

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by BluesyCat

Read thru part 3 finally. Just realized that I'm in post #165! I'm no longer incognito! (Jk, it's okay.)

Listened to a few clips and determined that a single 112 would be fine but I really like that 115 too. But, I will have to wait to buy anything, unfortunately.

I'll have to make an effort to go see nostatic one of these days since we are in the same neck of the woods & I like SD tunes. I should just have nostatic come to my house with his cabs and he can demo them with my Sads!!

Very wise Lee. On the other hand, I feel the time has come to give Roger a call to discuss an ML112. The 212 is just too heavy for me. And the single ML112 may do what I want and need. If I love it as much as I think, maybe I'll consider adding a second ML112. That seems to happen 'round here. But for my Duo and Cocktail/casual band, I amp hoping maybe one ML112 might get things done. Psssst Roger? I think I will be formally saying howdy tomorrow or the next day or so.

[Blackjax]

Originally Posted by Eublet

Search this thread and you'll find a short discussion on this.

I've read every post in all three threads, so I must have missed it.

I got the part about how the 212 compares to the 112 and difference between those and 115, but that wasn't the question.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by BluesyCat

I'll have to make an effort to go see nostatic one of these days since we are in the same neck of the woods & I like SD tunes. I should just have nostatic come to my house with his cabs and he can demo them with my Sads!!

If you want to head a little north you can hear the ML112(s) in the wild. Depending on the genre:

Thu 14feb @ Panini, Marina del Rey 7pm
Sat 16Feb @ Del Rey Yacht Club 8pm
Sun 17Feb @ Santa Monica Windjammer Yacht Club 4pm

Those are all straight jazz gigs. For more towards the rockish end of things (different band):

Sun 24Feb @ West LA Farmer's Market 11am

Next SJ gig is 16Apr @ Typhoon.

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by Blackjax

I've read every post in all three threads, so I must have missed it.

I got the part about how the 212 compares to the 112 and difference between those and 115, but that wasn't the question.

It was a short post I think from Roger. The ML115 is new so no one here has mixed it with the 112 as of yet. Roger I think added some comments on doing this when someone else asked. I think most of us were of the opinion that this kind of matching would not be optimal and wouldn't really bring anything to the table of any specific benefit. That's doesn't mean it would sound bad of course.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by GRoberts

But for my Duo and Cocktail/casual band, I amp hoping maybe one ML112 might get things done. Psssst Roger? I think I will be formally saying howdy tomorrow or the next day or so.

My experience would be that it'll get the job done - better than any other 1-12 cab I've had (and better than my AE210).

-todd

[nordyboy]

Originally Posted by GRoberts

Very wise Lee. On the other hand, I feel the time has come to give Roger a call to discuss an ML112. The 212 is just too heavy for me. And the single ML112 may do what I want and need. If I love it as much as I think, maybe I'll consider adding a second ML112. That seems to happen 'round here. But for my Duo and Cocktail/casual band, I amp hoping maybe one ML112 might get things done. Psssst Roger? I think I will be formally saying howdy tomorrow or the next day or so.

Have you decided to go ML rather than CN?

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by nordyboy

Have you decided to go ML rather than CN?

Actually my thinking now is ....."both". Get a single ML112 and it may serve all my quieter/duo gigs and small ensemble gigs where sometimes we get dancers and I need to keep up with an acoustic drum kit, quiet electric guitarist and acoustic guitarist.

Then for my Dance band/top 40 current band, I can still use my Bergie AE410, but I have a feeling it might get replaced with the CN212 which is even lighter, but plays a little lower or deeper/fuller.

What do you think?

Probably calling Roger today to discuss.

[Art Araya]

for my Duo and Cocktail/casual band, I amp hoping maybe one ML112 might get things done.

From my experience with the ML112, I'd say ABSOLUTELY it will get things done in that setting.

[Eublet]

I don't want to derail this thread with too much CN talk, but as a previous AE212 owner, the last thing I'd want is a deeper, fuller AE212 sound. It would have to be considerably more aggressive in the upper mids to compensate for that. I understand it is supposed to be more aggressive than the AE212, but I don't see how it could approach the ML design. I'm also in no mood to fiddle with tweeters anymore.

I love this Baer Mid_Loaded_112!

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by GRoberts

Actually my thinking now is ....."both". Get a single ML112 and it may serve all my quieter/duo gigs and small ensemble gigs where sometimes we get dancers and I need to keep up with an acoustic drum kit, quiet electric guitarist and acoustic guitarist.

Then for my Dance band/top 40 current band, I can still use my Bergie AE410, but I have a feeling it might get replaced with the CN212 which is even lighter, but plays a little lower or deeper/fuller.

What do you think?

Probably calling Roger today to discuss.

In your case, get the ML112 first I think, and see what you think. You might decide you want a 2nd one instead of the CN. Either way, the CN sounds more like a modern sounding cabinet to me, with more deep bottom and the ability to do the zingy top end stuff, albeit sweetly with the wonderful Berg tweeters that do great for that thing. I don't see how the CN could ever approach the upper-mid presence and ability to disperse overdriven or gritty tones the way the ML cabs can. So ultimately the tonal differences could be significant enough that you might like one cabinet more than the other.

FWIW, with my RH750's wondeful tweetertone control and a generous amount of upper-mid scoop, I can make the ML112 sound as zingy as would ever be necessary even for the most modern sounding applications imaginable. I'm not saying other cabs couldn't be made to sound more zingy, but I am saying that the ML cabs can more than get the job done, yet they do so many other things that a traditional cab can't do that I'm not even remotely tempted to think I need something else in the arsenal. YMMV of course.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by GRoberts

Actually my thinking now is ....."both". Get a single ML112 and it may serve all my quieter/duo gigs and small ensemble gigs where sometimes we get dancers and I need to keep up with an acoustic drum kit, quiet electric guitarist and acoustic guitarist.

Then for my Dance band/top 40 current band, I can still use my Bergie AE410, but I have a feeling it might get replaced with the CN212 which is even lighter, but plays a little lower or deeper/fuller.

What do you think?

Probably calling Roger today to discuss.

Seems to be more cost effective to buy a pair of ML112s. Were I you I'd buy one, see if I like the tone, then buy a second one and ditch the AE410.

No way I'd haul anything like a 410 these days but depends on your situation.

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Seems to be more cost effective to buy a pair of ML112s. Were I you I'd buy one, see if I like the tone, then buy a second one and ditch the AE410.

No way I'd haul anything like a 410 these days but depends on your situation.

This makes a LOT of sense Nostatic. ...except that I do truly love the punch and tone of my AE410. So I need to make sure I won't lose that if I opt for a second ML112, or replace the AE410 with a CN212 (which I am told is very similar to the AE410 in its punch and midrange/highs) ...but the CN212 may have a bit deeper, fuller inherent low end. That could be good ..or bad. Remains to be seen.

Regardless, back on topic in this "Baer" thread, I need to find out how well a single ML112 is going to work and then go from there.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by GRoberts

The 212 is just too heavy for me.

I keep seeing this brought up on here and it blows me away.

I've now gigged with my ML212 a half dozen times and, to me, it's WAY easier than dealing with my two single Aguilar DB cabs.

I mean, it has wheels... so I don't even need to deal with lugging my Rock-N-Roller cart along with me to gigs anymore. One less thing is ALWAYS welcome. I'm also able to make a single trip up a flight of stairs to my truck with a single 65 lb cab, rather than two trips up and down the stairs at 40+ lbs each trip.

And, for a 212 with two 6" drivers, it only weighs 65 lbs. The Berg HD212 weighs 80 lbs and the Aggie 212 weighs 70 in a much more awkward box. Maybe I'm just used to dealing with my Mesa and old Warwick 410 cabs... each of which weigh just shy of 100 lbs... or my PH412 that weighs like 140 lbs.

I realize everybody's different and I mean no offense... and I know some of us have physical limitations that don't allow us to carry anything over a certain weight... but I just felt the need to beat this horse to death and repeat the fact that this cab has been a blessing in the "ease-of-transport" department as well as being a gamechanger in the tone department.

As always, YMMV.

[nordyboy]

I was seriously considering the cn212 but the modular ml setup covers all the bases for me. If you love the ae410 but want some extra lows and better portability then they are great. It is a really cheap way of doing the modular thing with seriously huge output when required!

[Chef]

You're right, 65lbs "isn't that bad."

On the other hand, the CN212 is reported to weigh 48lbs.

I'd have to hear both to know which I'd prefer, sonically.

Originally Posted by Addison

I keep seeing this brought up on here and it blows me away.

I've now gigged with my ML212 a half dozen times and, to me, it's WAY easier than dealing with my two single Aguilar DB cabs.

I mean, it has wheels... so I don't even need to deal with lugging my Rock-N-Roller cart along with me to gigs anymore. One less thing is ALWAYS welcome. I'm also able to make a single trip up a flight of stairs to my truck with a single 65 lb cab, rather than two trips up and down the stairs at 40+ lbs each trip.

And, for a 212 with two 6" drivers, it only weighs 65 lbs. The Berg HD212 weighs 80 lbs and the Aggie 212 weighs 70 in a much more awkward box. Maybe I'm just used to dealing with my Mesa and old Warwick 410 cabs... each of which weigh just shy of 100 lbs... or my PH412 that weighs like 140 lbs.

I realize everybody's different and I mean no offense... and I know some of us have physical limitations that don't allow us to carry anything over a certain weight... but I just felt the need to beat this horse to death and repeat the fact that this cab has been a blessing in the "ease-of-transport" department as well as being a gamechanger in the tone department.

As always, YMMV.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by Chef

On the other hand, the CN212 is reported to weigh 48lbs.

Considering the total amount of time I spend actually lifting my cabs off the ground each gig (in and out of truck, on and off stage, up and down stairs... maybe 3-4 minutes total time?), 15 lbs wouldn't be a significant difference to me at that weight I guess.

But, like I said, everybody's different, YMMV, etc.