Baer Amplification Part 3 - Page 40

Art Araya · #**781** 02-25-2013, 02:47 PM

OK - that didn't take long. We have a buyer...

Tugboat · #**782** 02-25-2013, 07:47 PM

One more quick derail.....I was talking to a buddy of mine about the iPad topic we've been discussing. He's a techy kind of guy, up to date on all this stuff, an Apple guy, and a helluva damn good bass player. Here's what he sent me...links included:

If you make a switch to Apple it would open up a world of music apps that just aren't available at all on the Android/Windows/Berry OS's

As far as the amp sims, they are well into the second generation already and have gotten to the point of fully replacing real world gear for recording purposes and have approached being good enough ( for some ) to completely replace amps/cabs/effects. It's not long before it will become more common to see a band with a bunch of iPads in front of them running direct into a PA system and no amps on stage.

I don't know the technical reasons why Android is not able to support this type of app but it is apparently difficult to make these apps work on that OS so if you would probably not have access to any of this stuff for quite some time on any OS other than Apple's iOS.
Here are a couple of the better ones:

http://www.positivegrid.com/jamup/
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products...w.php?C=mobile
http://agilepartners.com/apps/ampkit/

They all offer at least a couple of Bass specific amps/effects. Positive Grid has the most support with a full expansion pack available.

R Baer · #**783** 02-25-2013, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tugboat

One more quick derail.....I was talking to a buddy of mine about the iPad topic we've been discussing. He's a techy kind of guy, up to date on all this stuff, an Apple guy, and a helluva damn good bass player. Here's what he sent me...links included:

If you make a switch to Apple it would open up a world of music apps that just aren't available at all on the Android/Windows/Berry OS's

As far as the amp sims, they are well into the second generation already and have gotten to the point of fully replacing real world gear for recording purposes and have approached being good enough ( for some ) to completely replace amps/cabs/effects. It's not long before it will become more common to see a band with a bunch of iPads in front of them running direct into a PA system and no amps on stage.

I don't know the technical reasons why Android is not able to support this type of app but it is apparently difficult to make these apps work on that OS so if you would probably not have access to any of this stuff for quite some time on any OS other than Apple's iOS.
Here are a couple of the better ones:

http://www.positivegrid.com/jamup/
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products...w.php?C=mobile
http://agilepartners.com/apps/ampkit/

They all offer at least a couple of Bass specific amps/effects. Positive Grid has the most support with a full expansion pack available.

No doubt the technology is certainly upon us, but that doesn't mean it will be the end all solution. I mean, there are certainly going to be those think it would be cool to have nothing but an iPad onstage for an amp, but I for one wouldn't be caught dead with one. Why? Well, for one it takes a lot of the fun of the whole live experience away from me. I love amps. I'm a gear nut, always have been. I love having a bass in my hands and speakers pounding away behind me. And while the technology is certainly there to replace your bass amp, the technology also exist to replace the bass player, so where does it end?

chuck3 · #**784** 02-25-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tugboat

As far as the amp sims, they are well into the second generation already and have gotten to the point of fully replacing real world gear for recording purposes and have approached being good enough ( for some ) to completely replace amps/cabs/effects. It's not long before it will become more common to see a band with a bunch of iPads in front of them running direct into a PA system and no amps on stage.

I think a few bands have already done that here in Brooklyn.

I agree with RBaer that there will always be a place for amps. Truth to tell, I've become a lot more experienced in playing through the PA over the last couple of years, but that's only for certain kinds of gigs. Others, you have to move the air with a bass amp in order to get the sound you're looking for.

MysticMichael · #**785** 02-25-2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by R Baer

No doubt the technology is certainly upon us, but that doesn't mean it will be the end all solution. I mean, there are certainly going to be those think it would be cool to have nothing but an iPad onstage for an amp, but I for one wouldn't be caught dead with one. Why? Well, for one it takes a lot of the fun of the whole live experience away from me. I love amps. I'm a gear nut, always have been. I love having a bass in my hands and speakers pounding away behind me. And while the technology is certainly there to replace your bass amp, the technology also exist to replace the bass player, so where does it end?

I couldn't agree more!

While I love cool technology as much as the next person (well, depending on the next person's degree of depraved geekitude), and while it certainly has the potential to open up all kinds of new doors to the creative process, the true secret to using technology intelligently & tastefully is to know when not to use it. (It's like a favorite condiment. Do you put horseradish sauce on your Rice Krispies as well as your Porterhouse steak?)

The bass rig isn't going away anytime soon - for the same reason the electric bass isn't going away anytime soon: there's just something about the visceral experience of all that huge, deep, warm, organic, harmonically-complex wave of sound breaking over everyone and everything that is so totally intoxicating, and so satisfying - that no virtual, digital system could ever replicate it.

Returning to my food analogy, the futurists of the Sixties predicted we'd all be dining on processed soy protein patties by now. So why do we still eat steaks?

MM

R Baer · #**786** 02-25-2013, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticMichael

...Returning to my food analogy, the futurists of the Sixties predicted we'd all be dining on processed soy protein patties by now. So why do we still eat steaks?

MM

So, what you are saying is that these iRigs are the bass amp equivalent of Soylent Green?

lo-freq · #**787** 02-25-2013, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by R Baer

So, what you are saying is that these iRigs are the bass amp equivalent of Soylent Green?

More like green tofu...

lo-freq · #**788** 02-25-2013, 10:41 PM

Mr App-wiz, for your case of hyper-digititus, just give your Valkyrie two Baer ML112 and call me in the morning...

nordyboy · #**789** 02-26-2013, 02:31 AM

Has anyone here ever used axe fxii?
I have never tried it but a friend of mine has just bought one and it has replaced his badcat and cornford class A amps plus his gigrig pedalboard. He reckons he can model any amp exactly just by recording it, I personally still like the idea of a good amp and cab....
Having said that, a session bassist that I hang out with has no amp at all! He owns a fender jazz and a thunderbird, and finds my obsessing over gear hilarious!

**maisbass** · #**790** 02-26-2013, 04:47 AM

nordyboy · #**791** 02-26-2013, 04:49 AM

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Nice! Or a Valkyrie

**maisbass** · #**792** 02-26-2013, 04:51 AM

I'm not a tube snob, just thought the cartoon was funny!

**maisbass** · #**793** 02-26-2013, 04:52 AM

Yeah! I'm gassing for a Valkyrie too!

nordyboy · #**794** 02-26-2013, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by maisbass

I'm not a tube snob, just thought the cartoon was funny!

Bat man does have Robin as his roadie and Cat woman as his groupie so he can afford to be a tube amp snob!

**maisbass** · #**795** 02-26-2013, 05:03 AM

Saluki · #**796** 02-26-2013, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by R Baer

I mean, there are certainly going to be those think it would be cool to have nothing but an iPad onstage for an amp, but I for one wouldn't be caught dead with one. Why? Well, for one it takes a lot of the fun of the whole live experience away from me. I love amps. I'm a gear nut, always have been. I love having a bass in my hands and speakers pounding away behind me.

+1 for me. Ipad have there place on stage..they are great for chord charts, but as for replacing my Baers. Apps=

, Baers =

.

Tugboat · #**797** 02-26-2013, 06:10 AM

T-minus four days and counting. ML212 landing in NY Friday.

spiritbass · #**798** 02-26-2013, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by lo-freq

Mr App-wiz, for your case of hyper-digititus, just give your Valkyrie two Baer ML112 and call me in the morning...

He said hyper-digititus.

GREAT cartoon, maisbass!!!

Thanks to all for helping me weather the latest Midwest blizzard with some humor!

Eublet · #**799** 02-26-2013, 07:05 AM

In the studio it seems already that plug-ins are used more often than real equipment to get the sound engineers want. They do a much better job and take much less time to setup and adjust versus real equipment. I definitely think that digitized is where everything will be in the future, reducing the tangible rigs to a niche market of old timers who refuse to let go. That's cool too of course. IMHO.

pickles · #**800** 02-26-2013, 08:35 AM

I doubt that. Plug ins are like preprocessed food, even if it tastes great people still value the process of creation both in terms of consumption and participation. Its that "authenticity" thing.