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03-19-2011, 07:28 PM
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Simple as that. Needs to be at least 1000watt at 4ohms, 40lbs or less, similar tonal properties, lookin at a nice and dirty 72 jazz inherent tone. Wanted to get two of the super twelve cabs to run a 2ohm 2000watt load out of my carving b2000, but its just too spensive...
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03-19-2011, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by llamalor2112  Simple as that. Needs to be at least 1000watt at 4ohms, 40lbs or less, similar tonal properties, lookin at a nice and dirty 72 jazz inherent tone. Wanted to get two of the super twelve cabs to run a 2ohm 2000watt load out of my carving b2000, but its just two spensive... | Over 40 lbs., but should fulfill the other requirements. A 1212/6 fEARful
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03-19-2011, 07:46 PM
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03-19-2011, 08:00 PM
| | | | Am I correct in my understanding that all these fearful designs are DIY? If so, I would vastly prefer a premade/commercially available cab. And I must insist nothing over 40lbs due to medical irks... |
03-19-2011, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by llamalor2112 Am I correct in my understanding that all these fearful designs are DIY? If so, I would vastly prefer a premade/commercially available cab. And I must insist nothing over 40lbs due to medical irks... | You could try a fEARful 12/6 with a fEARful 12 sub. 4 ohms total, gobs of power, tone and an easier haul with two smaller cabs.
Yes they are DIY, but there are people who'll build one for you.
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03-19-2011, 08:08 PM
| | | | I suppose that would be a double option, though I'd end up with 4 cabs instead of two for a 2ohm load. No big deal. But with cost of drivers, materials, etc and construction by someone else, for 4 cabs, what kind of price are we looking at? |
03-19-2011, 08:55 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bristol, UK | | | Don't think there is much out there comparable to the Super 12 in every way, they come out ahead on weight over pretty much everything. Also, how immensely loud do you plan on being? I'm not a guy who is afraid of serious volumes, but the Barefaced cabs can turn not much wattage into lots of volume, and keep on getting louder when you feed them more. Why not go Barefaced, and start with just one. Probably go for one of their other designs though, talk to them about what will suit, if it is huge SPLs, the Big Twin is going to serve better than multiple Super 12s, as it can handle more low end power.
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03-19-2011, 09:07 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: North Bend, WA | | | I run a fEarful 12/6 right now that weighs 38lbs. It's pretty fricken loud for a single 12. I plan on adding a 12/sub to it and it should slay at that point. You would only be running at 4 ohms but with your B2000 it would be incredibly loud. I believe they will be building them at speakerhardware.com. Otherwise check out the fEarful threads and have a look. Looks like you live in Granite Falls so you should be able to find someone around Seattle that has a fEarful you could listen to. |
03-19-2011, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by llamalor2112 Am I correct in my understanding that all these fearful designs are DIY? If so, I would vastly prefer a premade/commercially available cab. And I must insist nothing over 40lbs due to medical irks... | You can either now order pre-built fEarfuls or will soon be able to. Check out Speaker Hardware fEarful kits. |
03-20-2011, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by tombowlus | Note to Leland, if you're monitoring this thread:
I still call dibs on the first 12/6 flatpack you ship.
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03-20-2011, 09:28 AM
| | | | I believe the Super12 is a simple 2 x 3012HO loaded one way cab (with a tweeter option if you want it). If my assumption is correct, Low Down Sound makes beautiful versions of these cabs... probably not quite as lightweight as the Barefaced, but much, much better cabinetry, and a much lower price in the US.
The 12/6 and 1212/6 cabs based on the 3012LF drivers are a very different sounding box, and IMO would appeal to a different user, and would not be my choice for the 'dirty J' tone you are describing.
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03-20-2011, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by KJung I believe the Super12 is a simple 2 x 3012HO loaded one way cab (with a tweeter option if you want it). If my assumption is correct, Low Down Sound makes beautiful versions of these cabs... probably not quite as lightweight as the Barefaced, but much, much better cabinetry, and a much lower price in the US.
The 12/6 and 1212/6 cabs based on the 3012LF drivers are a very different sounding box, and IMO would appeal to a different user, and would not be my choice for the 'dirty J' tone you are describing. |
I'll second that. After playing with both drivers, I ended up getting a LDS 3012HO. This is 1/2 of a super twelve. I have been debating a second cab, but I have enough output with this single 12 for all my needs. It is a sensitive driver that will grind and seems a little thin down bottom (but is just super sensitive up top). I ad 3db boost around 80hz and I;m loving it. |
03-20-2011, 10:50 AM
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03-20-2011, 11:19 AM
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03-20-2011, 11:59 AM
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03-20-2011, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST:::: Actually, I agree with Ken. In terms of build quality my LDS 15/6 is better fit and finish than my Barefaced Compact. | I might be mistaking what he means by cabinetry; if you're talking about how the outside looks, maybe?
But build quality as in how the actual cabinet is constructed out of wood, I really doubt that LDS is that much "better" -- if at all. Alex's bracing scheme is definitely stellar from everything I've read.
Saying something like "much, much better" is kind of probably a bit of an exaggeration though. I
What I'd ask you is: In what way is it better? Let's not say stuff like "Much better build quality" without being specific.
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03-20-2011, 01:37 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Western PA | | | My speaker cab is a tool when I'm playing music just the same as my hammer is a tool when I'm cutting stone.
I care more about how well my tools function than I do about how nice they look.
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03-20-2011, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rpsands I might be mistaking what he means by cabinetry; if you're talking about how the outside looks, maybe?
But build quality as in how the actual cabinet is constructed out of wood, I really doubt that LDS is that much "better" -- if at all. Alex's bracing scheme is definitely stellar from everything I've read.
Saying something like "much, much better" is kind of probably a bit of an exaggeration though. I
What I'd ask you is: In what way is it better? Let's not say stuff like "Much better build quality" without being specific. | I meant asthetically LDS looks better. I think a large part of that is due to Don's excellent tolex work while the duratex stuff just doesnt look as professional on the Compact. If tolex was an option on the Compact I think they'd likely be much closer.
In my view the LDS looks like a commericially made cab while the Compact looks like a well-done DIY.
In terms of design of how the cabs are built I am no expert, but the Compact is amazing since it is so light, and produces very good tone with lots of volume. However, the LDS sounds better, ie more full and robust, but that's to be expected since it is a much, much bigger cab.
Once my nidacore fEarful 15/6 is built I will sell the LDS 15/6 and keep the Compact for extremely tight stages, rehearsals and such.
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03-20-2011, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by wcriley My speaker cab is a tool when I'm playing music just the same as my hammer is a tool when I'm cutting stone.
I care more about how well my tools function than I do about how nice they look. | That's very philosophical and certainly your prerogative, but there's no moral imperative to it whatsoever. Many regard the whole performance as a "show" and care quite a bit about the appearance of everything on stage, from their gear to their shoes. Different strokes....
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03-20-2011, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by wcriley My speaker cab is a tool when I'm playing music just the same as my hammer is a tool when I'm cutting stone.
I care more about how well my tools function than I do about how nice they look. | There would be very little functional difference on a simple 212 cab loaded with stock 3012HO drivers. My point was, for the OP looking for an alternative to the Super12 in the US for a lower cost, he would IMO lose very little with the LDS cab (a bit heavier weight), and would gain a much better looking box, made with very good fit and finish and very high quality construction techniques. Don's woodwork and finishing work is among the best I've experienced. IMO and IME.
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