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|billystagger ||09-05-2013 05:35 PM |
Bassman 212 upgrade
I have the opportunity to buy a vintage bassman 212 cab in excellent condition for very cheap. Since I'd be using it with my v4 I would swap out the speakers for deltalites. Anyone think of any problems with this.?
|JimmyM ||09-05-2013 06:26 PM |
Old Bassman cabs are quite small compared to other better bass cabs, so swapping in heavier duty speakers only increases its power handling by so much. They can sound really good, but the small box will always be a limiting factor. OTOH, they're excellent guitar cabs.
|webmonster ||09-06-2013 02:24 AM |
What are the approx dimensions?
I'm interested in doing exactly the same to my Jansen 2x12.
The Deltalites can handle far more power than any of my amps could deliver. I doubt the dimensions of my cab would be 'ideal' either.
|kringle77 ||09-06-2013 07:41 AM |
If it's a sealed cab, stuff it with fiberglass and load in either a pair of deltalites or betas. Done. They are pretty forgiving.
|ASATMAN ||09-06-2013 07:52 AM |
Been playing a vintage blonde Fender 2 x12 cab loaded w/ EV Pro's for decades. The BEST cab I've ever used and can whip any 8 x 10 for volume, punch, and frequency range.
Plus it easily fits in the trunk, easy to transport via the wheels, and can be used vertically to help project the sound far and wide.
|Oren Hudson ||09-06-2013 09:51 PM |
I've recently acquired a '69 Bandmaster cab with 2x12s. It's the larger cab, extremely large for 2x12s. It came loaded with newer Peavey Black Widow 300 watt speakers. I'm getting a nice bass sound with it, leaning more to the vintage sound rather than the earthquake boom. The beauty of it is that this same cab makes a great guitar cab as well. Dual use with good results for both. :cool:
|billystagger ||09-07-2013 12:50 AM |
I could be wrong on it being a bassman. It was huge for a 212. Maybe bandmaster? Unless I'm being lied to it's a 68.
|Oren Hudson ||09-07-2013 09:11 AM |
Late 60's were transitional years for those cabs. A '68 big Bassman cab had 2x12's for a while, then moved to the 2x15's, still leaving a good bit of room inside. The move on the Bandmaster and Bassman expanded cabs were for looks only, trying to create a much larger appearance for competition with some of the larger cabs being introduced by other companies at the time. When the Bassman went to the 2x15's, the Bandmaster stayed with the 2x12,s and also had 4x12's. All 3 cabinets were the same size - 39" tall, 28" wide and 11 1/2' deep. Many unmolested cabs from then have a date stamped in black ink along one of the unpainted uncovered support wood pieces. My Bandmaster has F090769, indicating Fender September 7, 1969. An always there indicator for Bassman/Bandmaster is the location of the screw down receptacles on the top of the cab. Recall that the Fender heads had little wing like extensions that extended out to these areas and a thumb screw tightened the head down to the cab in this manner to keep it from vibrating or falling off. The Bandmaster distance from one receptacle to the other is approximately 13 1/2 inches. The Bassman distance is approximately 23 1/4 inches, since the Bassman heads were a good bit wider. That's the significant way to determine Bassman from Bandmaster.
I'm still experimenting with the Bandmaster cab and I've just completed the last few items on my '68 Bassman cab. The Bassman cab is a factory labeled JBL D140F cab, which I've found to be fairly rare. Long story short, it was a real basket case when I first got it well over 10 years ago. I've rebuilt and replaced on it since then and it's now totally finished. I can compare the Bandmaster and the Bassman side by side. I'm using a new Kustom KXB 500 watt 5lb head. For bass guitar, The Bandmaster with the Black Widows sounds real good, but the Bassman with the D140F's sounds even better. I can gig with either one of them though. Price wise, BW's would be a good bit less expensive to get. Anyway, hope this helps, at least in cab identification. :cool:
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