Berdantino AE212 vs Genz Benz neox 212T

[HMZ]

I'm looking to replace my two 210 cabs for a lite weight single 212 cab. I'm intrested in the Bergantino AE212 and Genz Benz neox 212 cabs. I will be using it with a Markbass LMII or my Genz Benz shuttlt 6.0 amp.

How do these cabs compare to each other. Pros and cons.

[MarTONEbass]

I used to own 2 X Neox 112T's and they were nice cabinets. They sounded more like 15's to my ear. They seem a little less punchy and seemed to have less mid range content. The AE212 is the only cab I own right now and it smokes. Fairly even across the spectrum and punchy with nice mids and a slightly pillowy but focused bottom/low mid.

If you tend to like the overall sound of 12's better than 15's, I would go Bergantino all the way. More expensive, but great weight and form factor, easy to move, and kills the Genz in terms of tone IMO.

[David Wilson]

I had same experience as MarTONEbass. There was nothing wrong with the Neox-212, just the AE212 was more the sound I was looking for.

[allexcosta]

GB makes great gear but there's no comparison between their cabs and Jim's IMO.

[MikeBass]

I never played through a Berg AE 212 so I can't really comment. I have played the Berg AE 410 and it really is a fantastic ounding box. I would imagine that the 212 would be as well.

But I have played/owned the GB NeoX 212T.
GREAT sounding cab. And it's LOUD.
Never seems like it's running out of "volume". Just feels like it's just going to get louder and louder and louder.
My beef is it's kinda tall/big. But it's VERY easy to move and weighs nothing.
Remember though, it's ONLY 4 ohms. You can't get an 8 ohm version.
Don't know how the LM specs out, but I don't think it can support a sub 4 ohm load.
So if you want to add a cab to the NeoX212 (if that's what you end up with) you can't.

And saying there is "no comparison"..."kills it.." ......yeah. OK.
I usually disregard comments like that pretty fast as they are pretty much as useless as they come.
Dave Wilson's comment is spot on, works for him tone wise/sound he was looking for.

If you can, give them both a listen.

Don't be swayed by a name plate because it doesn't matter what the box says. It matters what it SOUNDS like to you.
Odd concept for pretty much TONS of people on these boards to wrap their heads around.

Also check into the GK neo 212. AWESOME sounding cab. Might be my all time fav 212 cab to be honest. I love that box.

You might want to look at the Genz Benz Uber 212 as well.

Just a thought, why not a pair of 112 cabs?

[HMZ]

Originally Posted by MikeBass

I never played through a Berg AE 212 so I can't really comment. I have played the Berg AE 410 and it really is a fantastic ounding box. I would imagine that the 212 would be as well.

But I have played/owned the GB NeoX 212T.
GREAT sounding cab. And it's LOUD.
Never seems like it's running out of "volume". Just feels like it's just going to get louder and louder and louder.
My beef is it's kinda tall/big. But it's VERY easy to move and weighs nothing.
Remember though, it's ONLY 4 ohms. You can't get an 8 ohm version.
Don't know how the LM specs out, but I don't think it can support a sub 4 ohm load.
So if you want to add a cab to the NeoX212 (if that's what you end up with) you can't.

And saying there is "no comparison"..."kills it.." ......yeah. OK.
I usually disregard comments like that pretty fast as they are pretty much as useless as they come.
Dave Wilson's comment is spot on, works for him tone wise/sound he was looking for.

If you can, give them both a listen.

Don't be swayed by a name plate because it doesn't matter what the box says. It matters what it SOUNDS like to you.
Odd concept for pretty much TONS of people on these boards to wrap their heads around.

Also check into the GK neo 212. AWESOME sounding cab. Might be my all time fav 212 cab to be honest. I love that box.

You might want to look at the Genz Benz Uber 212 as well.

Just a thought, why not a pair of 112 cabs?

Thanks Mike bass. The Markbass amp I have will do 500 watts at 4 ohms. Not looking to add another cab so the 4 ohm cab is fine. As far as the two 112 cabs go. I also have a GB shuttle 12T combo that I use for smaller gigs and practices. I was thinking about getting the 12T extension cab but I think I like the Markbass amp a bit more. To me it sounds warmer. I love the light weight powerful package of the GB shuttle but for larger/outdoor gigs I was thinking a light weight 212 cab. As far as trying them out. I could maybe check out the Genz Benz at GC if they carrier it but the Berg I don't think I could find.
I know GC has GK stuff so I should check that out.

[lomo]

Can anyone comment on which cab sounds louder or is more efficient-anyone played both with the same head?

[bucephylus]

Two cabs worthy of direct comparison.

I bought the Berg and am very satisfied with it. But, I agree with Mike, that you will probably find some folks quite happy with the GB. Head to head? I really don't know. My guess would be that the Berg is a tad more HiFi; but honestly these differences can get quite blown out of proportion, IME.

[MikeBass]

Originally Posted by HMZ

Thanks Mike bass. The Markbass amp I have will do 500 watts at 4 ohms. Not looking to add another cab so the 4 ohm cab is fine. As far as the two 112 cabs go. I also have a GB shuttle 12T combo that I use for smaller gigs and practices. I was thinking about getting the 12T extension cab but I think I like the Markbass amp a bit more. To me it sounds warmer. I love the light weight powerful package of the GB shuttle but for larger/outdoor gigs I was thinking a light weight 212 cab. As far as trying them out. I could maybe check out the Genz Benz at GC if they carrier it but the Berg I don't think I could find.
I know GC has GK stuff so I should check that out.

Yeah, if they have the 212 in, spend some time playing through it.
It's very clear and doesn't sound to overly "hyped" across freq range of it.
Sure, it has SOMETHING in regards to the tuning and what not. All that aside though, IMO it just sounds good.

Originally Posted by bucephylus

Two cabs worthy of direct comparison.

I bought the Berg and am very satisfied with it. But, I agree with Mike, that you will probably find some folks quite happy with the GB. Head to head? I really don't know. My guess would be that the Berg is a tad more HiFi; but honestly these differences can get quite blown out of proportion, IME.

+1
I reference a GTG where we had just about every high end amp and cab you can think of. I pulled out my "lowly" Hartke 2.5XL that I happen to have in the car.
No one paid really attention to it when I brought it in.
I plugged it in and the WHOLE room stopped and stared in amazment.
One VERY respected person from the bass community, as well as here on TB, got down on all fours with his face level with it and commented that he was "blown away on how good that sounds".
Mind you, there was Epifani, Berg IP's, Aggi's and a host of others.
And it hung toe to toe.
But, it's a "Hartke".

Sometimes things just in a non-thought-out-way just really WORK.

Listen with your ears. Not your eyes.....

[bucephylus]

Originally Posted by MikeBass

I reference a GTG where we had just about every high end amp and cab you can think of. I pulled out my "lowly" Hartke 2.5XL that I happen to have in the car.
No one paid really attention to it when I brought it in.
I plugged it in and the WHOLE room stopped and stared in amazment.
One VERY respected person from the bass community, as well as here on TB, got down on all fours with his face level with it and commented that he was "blown away on how good that sounds".
Mind you, there was Epifani, Berg IP's, Aggi's and a host of others.
And it hung toe to toe.
But, it's a "Hartke".

Sometimes things just in a non-thought-out-way just really WORK.

Listen with your ears. Not your eyes.....

I always did and still do like those Hartke XL's. I had the 2x10 and just had a problem with the amount of air it didn't move, but it did sound great. the 410 was a killer. Still like them.

[MikeBass]

Originally Posted by bucephylus

I always did and still do like those Hartke XL's. I had the 2x10 and just had a problem with the amount of air it didn't move, but it did sound great. the 410 was a killer. Still like them.

the 2.5 XL cabs (with the little high end alu driver) was much fuller and on par volume wise with "typical" 210's.
The original ones, lacked a good low end and didn't have really good volume.

[KsPiNeSh]

I personally prefer the Genz cabs to pretty much every other cab I've ever heard, including Bergantino, and the NEOX-212T is probably my favorite. I think the clarity and slight grind voiced into a lot of GB cabs appeals to me, but I really don't think you can go wrong if these are your two final choices.

[genstormbringer]

Originally Posted by MarTONEbass

I used to own 2 X Neox 112T's and they were nice cabinets. They sounded more like 15's to my ear. They seem a little less punchy and seemed to have less mid range content. The AE212 is the only cab I own right now and it smokes. Fairly even across the spectrum and punchy with nice mids and a slightly pillowy but focused bottom/low mid.

If you tend to like the overall sound of 12's better than 15's, I would go Bergantino all the way. More expensive, but great weight and form factor, easy to move, and kills the Genz in terms of tone IMO.

You hit it right on the head w the description of the AE212. I just sold mine and may have to kick myself. That remains to be seen.

[lo-freq]

Originally Posted by MarTONEbass

I used to own 2 X Neox 112T's and they were nice cabinets. They sounded more like 15's to my ear. They seem a little less punchy and seemed to have less mid range content. The AE212 is the only cab I own right now and it smokes. Fairly even across the spectrum and punchy with nice mids and a slightly pillowy but focused bottom/low mid.

If you tend to like the overall sound of 12's better than 15's, I would go Bergantino all the way. More expensive, but great weight and form factor, easy to move, and kills the Genz in terms of tone IMO.

The Neox212T is more balanced (not as low bass prominent) than a pair of Neox112T.

[lo-freq]

Originally Posted by HMZ

I'm looking to replace my two 210 cabs for a lite weight single 212 cab. I'm intrested in the Bergantino AE212 and Genz Benz neox 212 cabs. I will be using it with a Markbass LMII or my Genz Benz shuttlt 6.0 amp.

How do these cabs compare to each other. Pros and cons.

I think the Berg AE212 would sound better (to me) with the Shuttle and the Neox212T would sound better with the LMII.
DSFDF/YMMV...
It's all about your tone goals and amp/cab synergy!

[kai_ski]

I'm looking into 212 enclosures myself, the only one I've had the opportunity to play has been the Aguilar GS212. I really liked it, but I would like to go with a NEO box like the GB Neox, Epi UL2, or Berg AE212 to save weight. My question is this: does the Berg really sound 2x better than it's competitors? Even used, it tends to be priced twice as high.

I'm attracted to the vertical arrangement of the GB and Berg, because I could see myself adding another 8ohm single 12 in the future for large outdoor gigs (the TC can handle 3 8ohm loads -- presumably the same as 4 ohm + 8ohm.)

I'm looking for a 4ohm cab to pair with my TC rh450. My main cab is currently a PAS-loaded Goliath III, I still like the way it sounds, it's just too heavy, and the 8ohm load isn't allowing me to get full power out of my "micro" head.

[Eublet]

I've owned both and gigged both.

The AE212 stayed with me a very short time, several months maybe. It was a great cab in a lot of ways. I disagree with folks calling it more even than the NeoX. In my view it was very uneven. It had more low end extension, but that doesn't make it more even. It had more upper-mid aggression, and a much more forceful tweeter tone.

The NeoX 212 was my main gigging cabinet for a couple of years. It is not the same as dual Neox 112's. It's tighter in the bottom than the AE212, but still full. It has an upper-mid bump but still sounds fairly even and more tame in a mix than the AE212.

I STRONGLY disagree with statements such as "these two cabinets don't compare". They do compare, very well actually, because they are nearly the same form factor, size and weight. They do sound pretty different from each other, so liking one and disliking the other is to be expected.

The Neox 212 is a 410 competitor, just like the AE212. Perceived volume will differ among players. If you like upper-mid aggression and gank, the AE212 is more for you and the Neox will sound less loud. If you like a smoother tone with more low-mid punch and a tight bass, then the AE212 will sound boomy with a harsh upper-mid response.

Lastly, the Neox 212 worked great with every head I ever tried with it. I mean great. The tone changed with the head, but it matched up. The AE212 however was totally different. I was able to get a pretty good tone with a couple heads, but it absolutely refused to cooperate with others, at least for my needs. I can see why some prefer the AE212 over the Neox. I really liked it with the Shuttle 9.0 because of the tighter low end response in those heads.

[lo-freq]

Originally Posted by Eublet

I've owned both and gigged both.

The AE212 stayed with me a very short time, several months maybe. It was a great cab in a lot of ways. I disagree with folks calling it more even than the NeoX. In my view it was very uneven. It had more low end extension, but that doesn't make it more even. It had more upper-mid aggression, and a much more forceful tweeter tone.

The NeoX 212 was my main gigging cabinet for a couple of years. It is not the same as dual Neox 112's. It's tighter in the bottom than the AE212, but still full. It has an upper-mid bump but still sounds fairly even and more tame in a mix than the AE212.

I STRONGLY disagree with statements such as "these two cabinets don't compare". They do compare, very well actually, because they are nearly the same form factor, size and weight. They do sound pretty different from each other, so liking one and disliking the other is to be expected.

The Neox 212 is a 410 competitor, just like the AE212. Perceived volume will differ among players. If you like upper-mid aggression and gank, the AE212 is more for you and the Neox will sound less loud. If you like a smoother tone with more low-mid punch and a tight bass, then the AE212 will sound boomy with a harsh upper-mid response.

Lastly, the Neox 212 worked great with every head I ever tried with it. I mean great. The tone changed with the head, but it matched up. The AE212 however was totally different. I was able to get a pretty good tone with a couple heads, but it absolutely refused to cooperate with others, at least for my needs. I can see why some prefer the AE212 over the Neox. I really liked it with the Shuttle 9.0 because of the tighter low end response in those heads.

I was hoping you'd chime in on this.
I would like to try both, but from your observations, I'd probably prefer the Neox-212T.

[jnewmark]

" Tight in the bottom, upper mid hump, tame in the mix " nails pretty much my experience with the Neox 212T. Also accurately describes an old girlfriend of mine.

[tombowlus]

I like them both, but prefer the AE212 as it lines up slightly better with my personal tone preferences (full and meaty, yet still dynamic and "exciting" - being a neck pickup player, a little upper midrange bump tends to work well for me).

But I will also echo Mike's comments about the GK Neo212-II. That cab is also very much worth considering, and I rank it right up there with the very best 2x12's available. Plus, it's by far the least expensive of the "top contenders" in my book.