Which Berg 12? AE or HT112ER with LM3 and RH450

Musicman20 · #1 03-21-2010, 11:53 AM

Hey guys

I was going to look into a combo....but i figured her Ive got a great set of amps, so why not just buy a high quality 12.

Size/weight arent a massive issue for a 12 with me...as long as it can hold its own with good PA support for small gigs, (I realise its only a 1x12 though!).

So, Ive heard rumours the HT112ER doesnt work so well with lightweight small amp heads with 500 or so watts. This seems odd with it being 300W....but....im willing to listen to reasons why

Amps are the RH450 and LM3.

Its either that or an AE112.

Eventually I will go for another...but for now one is enough.

Thanks

gillento · #2 03-21-2010, 12:15 PM

Hey Gareth,

I am sure you made up your mind about this, but I am rather courious you ruled out the db112?

I think it smokes with the MB heads.

Mike Shevlin · #3 03-21-2010, 12:17 PM

I think bassflute has this LM/112ER set up~ you may want to give him a ring.

**nostatic** · #4 03-21-2010, 12:18 PM

Have the AE112 - so far so good. Haven't played the others you mentioned. I'll have an LMTube showing up next week so I'll see how that works with the Berg.

Musicman20 · #5 03-21-2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gillento

Hey Gareth,

I am sure you made up your mind about this, but I am rather courious you ruled out the db112?

I think it smokes with the MB heads.

Dont get me wrong the DBs are great...I use my DB212s for larger gigs....but I want some Berg action and I think the 12s are my favourite tone with the Bergs.

david3821 · #6 03-21-2010, 12:26 PM

I just bought the HT112ER/EX112ER stack (yes it kills!) and am running it with a 400 watt amp...Unless I am playing a big stage (where I'll bust out the NV610) I can use that setup at my gigs! That being said, I would want more than a single 1x12 unless I am playing at small jazz/blues clubs or just rehearsing.

Musicman20 · #7 03-21-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by david3821

I just bought the HT112ER/EX112ER stack (yes it kills!) and am running it with a 400 watt amp...Unless I am playing a big stage (where I'll bust out the NV610) I can use that setup at my gigs! That being said, I would want more than a single 1x12 unless I am playing at small jazz/blues clubs or just rehearsing.

Thanks....yep I realise it isnt going to cut normally unless its a small gig (although I have seen a fair few people with good PAs just have the 1x12 on a table nr ear height for monitoring).

It will act as a practice amp for home (instead of going for decent combo which is going to be expensive anyway) and for small gigs.

Ive got loads of other cabinets for gigging....Im a bit of a collector!

I think the HT112ER might be for me as its smoother and I want something thats not as fragile as my Aggie DB/Orange and TC cabs coverings....(I actually like the carpet on these cabs).

interp · #8 03-21-2010, 12:30 PM

I just pulled the trigger on an HT112ER/EX112ER stack that I will be using with a Walter Woods stereo head bridged. That's 1000 watts into the 4-ohm load of the two Bergies. I expect it to sound like the voice of God, but I'll let you know.

Tim1 · #9 03-21-2010, 12:39 PM

There has been another post about this recently. I have a 112ER - certainly different to the AE112 but not better or worse, they are both superb but tonally different. The AE has a leaner tone that cuts across nicely onstage, it is more "hi-fi" sounding to my ears with a less bottom and a more prominent upper midrange. The ER is more old school with way more bottom end and smoother at the top. As someone pointed out, if you are playing without PA support an ER stack is the way to go, it goes lower than a few fofteens I have played. The weight is not an issue to me, the 40 odd pounds of the ER feels as easy to schlep as the 30 odd AE, but that may be different for others. Played side by side and alone the AE can be more appealing with its more accentuated highs.
Ignore any rumours about the ER not working well with lightweight amps - that too has been discounted elsewhere on this forum - I can assure you that mine sounds fantastic with my Markbass (and I too have an NV610 for bigger gigs).

Musicman20 · #10 03-21-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim1

There has been another post about this recently. I have a 112ER - certainly different to the AE112 but not better or worse, they are both superb but tonally different. The AE has a leaner tone that cuts across nicely onstage, it is more "hi-fi" sounding to my ears with a less bottom and a more prominent upper midrange. The ER is more old school with way more bottom end and smoother at the top. As someone pointed out, if you are playing without PA support an ER stack is the way to go, it goes lower than a few fofteens I have played. The weight is not an issue to me, the 40 odd pounds of the ER feels as easy to schlep as the 30 odd AE, but that may be different for others. Played side by side and alone the AE can be more appealing with its more accentuated highs.
Ignore any rumours about the ER not working well with lightweight amps - that too has been discounted elsewhere on this forum - I can assure you that mine sounds fantastic with my Markbass (and I too have an NV610 for bigger gigs).

Im trying to avoid the AE112s if they have the similar HS410 horn...which I didnt like. I want something a little more 'vintage' toned that the AEs I think. I think the extra bottom from the HT112ER will be helpful.

Think P Bass/J Bass with flats...or sometimes with rounds but tone rolled off a bit.

gillento · #11 03-21-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Musicman20

... I want something thats not as fragile as my Aggie DB/Orange and TC cabs coverings....(I actually like the carpet on these cabs).

Then have my TS210

Musicman20 · #12 03-21-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gillento

Then have my TS210

Hahhaha, I, gonna stick with 12s I think, but thanks anyway!

Musicman20 · #13 03-22-2010, 07:08 AM

Bump for opinions

sk8 · #14 03-22-2010, 11:39 AM

HT112ER is what you want my man

**nostatic** · #15 03-22-2010, 11:42 AM

With the RH450 you have a fair amount of hi freq rolloff, so the AE112 doesn't sound particularly "hi fi" with that head. Not sure about the MB - hope to have an LMTube by the end of the week to compare.

Fajah · #16 03-22-2010, 01:10 PM

I paid a visit last Saturday to Club Bass here in Toronto. My purpose was to check out the TC Electronic Polytune pedal that they had just got in. While I was there, I decided to try a few fretless Rob Allen's that were hanging on the wall.

I played a Mouse, MB2-4, and MB2-5. At first I played through a TC Classic 450 into an AE210. Didn't like that combination too much. Too mid-rangy and thin for my liking. Next was the TC head though an AE112. It was better, a bit more bottom end but still wasn't crazy about it. Not war enough for me.

Since I use an LMII into AE112's, I figured I'd try the LMIII through the AE112. I liked this combination but I noticed quite a difference in overall tonal range when compared to my LMII. The LMII/AE112 is quite a bit fuller and warmer to my ears.

That being said, I've comfortably played bar gigs (150 people) with one AE112 and no PA support. The volume on my LMII was set to around 11 o'clock or so. The cab is very focused and projects out an up quite dramatically. I can hear it well standing 3-4 ft. in front of it. It tends to sound thin if you're sitting 3-4 ft. in front which I do sometimes at rehearsals.

stranger0 · #17 03-22-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Shevlin

I think bassflute has this LM/112ER set up~ you may want to give him a ring.

That's me actually (Cam's my teacher) but it's a fantastic set up and not sure who's had those complaints but it doesn't apply to me as I love the tone I can get. It's not a 'woofy' type of tone or muddy, it's very clear, very loud and you someone said, it gives you a really smooth top end (with the option of the LMII) of wanting to get some rough edges to it.

The one difference that may or may not be a big deal to some is the fact that both Cam and I play MTD's but even my Korean MTD sounded great when I had that.

My favourite set up so far is to have 2 berg's running through the LMII. In fact, if I could afford to get another one, I'd do it.

If you have questions, pm me or ask me on here or ask Cam/bassflute, it was his idea, the man's a genius.

Musicman20 · #18 03-22-2010, 02:01 PM

Well, so far I have TC Cabinets, Orange Cabinets, and Aguilar Cabinets.

Which, out of the AE112 and HT112ER, are going to add something 'different' to my collection?

Im not fussed about weight....a 112 is a 112! I can imagine a Precision through a HT112ER is bliss!

stranger0 · #19 03-22-2010, 02:17 PM

I've never tried the AE but if I had to be specific, the HT doesn't color your tone (and it's the best sounding tweeter I've ever heard).

Whitbass · #20 03-22-2010, 04:25 PM

I for one made the ER choice over the AE series as I rarely have PA support. The ER simply has more booty and oomph out in the audience.....aside that both are really, really good cabs.......

at a closer distance, I probably like the AE112 better tonally as its so even and just kills with tight, even, focused rich bass.....but the ER brings it better out and away.......
so this is where the difference was for me.....do you need house support or mainly monitor.........not that the AE can't offer house support....just that the ER has the edge here IMO....

The LMII and ER stack is quite nice indeed....and no issues with volume...though this is always subjective to what one needs......at some point everything will run out of steam......eventually

You really need to listen to decide....but I am quite happy with the LMII and HT112ER stack......

its hard to go wrong either way....