Berg AE212 vs Genz Neox-212t differences

Nutz4Bass · #1 02-03-2011, 05:11 PM

I'm thinking of buying a Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 I'd like to pair it with either a Genz Neox-212t or a Bergantino AE212. I'm happy to save myself a few hundred bucks by going with the Genz Neox but am willing to consider the Berg if it seems I'd like it better. I wish I could walk in a store and try these choices along with a Musicman Classic Stingray 5, but that isn't possible. Grrrrrr.

Would you please try to describe the differences and how you (preferably through 1st hand experience) think my choices would sound and work together. Thanks.

allexcosta · #2 02-03-2011, 06:01 PM

I owned a 212T for a few weeks, gigged with it and all...
It's a good cab, sounds good, very flat, no crazy frequency bumps and all.

Never tried a AE212, but I own quite a few Bergantino cabs and my jaw drops every time I fire them up.

Nothing wrong with GB cabs, but IMO Bergantino belongs to a different league.

A Lexus ISC is a great car, but you can't compare it with a Mercedes MacLaren...

Green1 · #3 02-03-2011, 07:26 PM

I am running a Shuttle 6.0 with the Berg AE 212, and I can honestly say the Bergantino cabs are nothing short of amazing. GK makes some nice stuff, but as another poster mentioned, I don't think they are in the same league with the Bergs......the flipside is you are gonna spend more.....but if you can swing it, the Berg won't do you wrong....Good Luck!

**jmattbassplaya** · #4 02-03-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Green1

I am running a Shuttle 6.0 with the Berg AE 212, and I can honestly say the Bergantino cabs are nothing short of amazing. GK makes some nice stuff, but as another poster mentioned, I don't think they are in the same league with the Bergs......the flipside is you are gonna spend more.....but if you can swing it, the Berg won't do you wrong....Good Luck!

Genz Benz, not GK. Those two are on completely different levels themselves.

Green1 · #5 02-03-2011, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jmattbassplaya

Genz Benz, not GK. Those two are on completely different levels themselves.

Oops!

I read it wrong. I have played the Genz cabs as well, when I bought my Shuttle 6 it was running through a pair of the Genz 112 cabs. I thought it sounded great....I went with the Berg because I wanted one single 4 ohm cab.....but I think the Genz cabs are very well made and definately on par with the Bergs, probably just gonna come down to personal preference.

babebambi · #6 02-03-2011, 08:37 PM

GK cabs are nice too IMO.

For GB, I like their Uber212, but I just don't like their NeoX. Now I also like the AE212 a lot. Granted, I only checked them out in a store. However, that's only MY opinion; pretty meaningless without know what you prefer. BTW, I also think that 600W is enough for a 212 cab.

Give us some reference about what you like.
What gear you've used and find pleasing?
What other that you find lacking? How so?
Can you find some example of track that have the tone that you want to achieve?

Nutz4Bass · #7 02-04-2011, 11:32 AM

babe, you ask great ?'s and i fully appreciate the reason for asking. however, i can't answer most of them. #1. i haven't owned (or played for that matter) any musical equipment for nearly 40 years so I have no experiences (good or bad, likes or dislikes) to share. #2. I don't think I could articulate the type of sound/tone I'm looking to capture...but I think I could if someone were to give examples/descriptions/characteristics of the two cabs I've mentioned in this post.

What I think I know is that 40 years ago, I never heard of slap unless it related to the punishment my Father inflicted upon me (wait, that was a beat-down). However, knowing what I do today, I'm eager to try it as a style of bass playing. In my past, I played finger-style...and the occasional pick. I learned to play bass during the late 60's/early 70's to classic rock. I think I can describe that I will probably not be looking to play alot of today's music and duplicate the more modern bass sounds/tones. Rather, I'm likely to favor more traditional 'old school bass. How do I say....warm, less freaky tones??? Lots of thump/punch with a slight bit of edge??? IDK.

It's sad that there's not a music store in a 100 mi. radius that carries anything like what I'm looking to audition (other than a Musicman Stingray 5 that played like s***)...otherwise, I wouldn't be asking others to share their experience. Grrrrr! Thanks for everyone's input.

Eublet · #8 02-06-2011, 07:56 PM

I've owned both, and they are two of my favorite cabs. They are fairly different sounding. The Neox 212 is smoother sounding than the AE212. Not quite as aggressive in the upper-mids, but still very articulate. Both cabinets have a tight low-end with just enough depth to give fullness without being boomy. Both are well made and light. The Neox is the one to choose if you want a more even sounding cabinet that sits inside the mix a bit more. The AE212 is a little more capable of jumping out because of the aggressive upper-mids. Either could be made to sound much like the other with a little EQ massage. I personally wouldn't get hung up on choosing one over the other.

pjstingray · #9 05-01-2011, 05:02 AM

Just as a matter of interest - I am also trying to make the decision on these 2 cabs. As they seem very similar and my reason for changing from a 4x10 cab is one of portability - how useable are the wheels on the GB? I assume the Berg doesn't have any? Does this make a difference to manhandling , or are the wheels useless on anything but the smoothest of surfaces?

rekesbass · #10 05-01-2011, 05:31 AM

the wheels on the Genz work but it is a bit awkward to move. what it really needs is a telescopic luggage type handle so it can be pulled behind you rather than pushing in front of you..the edge lift handles are cool. I like them a lot,makes for an easy lift and not to bad to "man handle".the weight isn't too bad,I can lift it with one hand and I'm a 43 y.o 150 lb. guy who has no problem lifting and slipping it in the back seat of a 2 door honda civic.

pjstingray · #11 05-01-2011, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rekesbass

the wheels on the Genz work but it is a bit awkward to move. what it really needs is a telescopic luggage type handle so it can be pulled behind you rather than pushing in front of you..the edge lift handles are cool. I like them a lot,makes for an easy lift and not to bad to "man handle".the weight isn't too bad,I can lift it with one hand and I'm a 43 y.o 150 lb. guy who has no problem lifting and slipping it in the back seat of a 2 door honda civic.

Thanks for that info - I guess the wheels aren't a deciding factor then. My concern is the lift to and from the back of an X5, but it seems like 50lbs is the optimum power to weight ratio. Even my Bagend 115 rehearsal cab weighs 49lbs, however the handles are in totally the wrong place to make carrying easy.

jnewmark · #12 05-01-2011, 08:25 AM

When I owned the 212T, the wheels and schlepp factor were my only complaint. The wheels are skinny, plastic,and, imho, should be replaced by GB with thicker versions, maybe even go to 4 wheels. When you tilt it back to move, you are at an awkward, bent over angle, and the cab bumps up against you legs if you don't get the balance right. Much rather have 4 casters on my cabs than two, but, that's my personal preference.

ErnieD · #13 05-01-2011, 09:31 AM

I own two Neox 212T's, I really dig these cabs. Some complain of the hard/odd schlep design of these cabs. I went out and bought a inexpensive fold away cart to move them from my spare room (gear room) thru the house, to my garage where I keep my SUV backed up into garage. I lift the cab by the two top handles, put a knee into its' back and use the small caster wheels to roll into the rear cargo area, done.

I use the cart at gigs to move the cab into the stage area, then I might use the built in casters to move it around on stage. These cabs feel so light that I mostly just lift em by the handles and place em where they need to go. I don't feel these built in casters were designed to roll along at long distances. Plus I imagine they'd wear down on concrete or other hard surfaces in time. It was prolly meant as a design to avoid using a seperate cart but my cart just makes moving all my gear a breeze, so that works for me.

Oh and I really dig the tone of these cabs for my all my different bands of Tx blues-rock/Trad blues/New country/classic rock/funk n soul music. I own a few other cabs, 112, 210, 410 but I've started using the Neox 212T more since I got a STM-900 head, works real nice with my P-bass w/flats. I also use more modern basses and I only play 5 stringers and my GB's handles the lows very well.

Either of these cabs you may choose from your two choices are very good quality and tone. I tried the AE212T at a local store a few years ago and felt they were too aggressive for my tone, so I went with the GB's. But it was nice to be able to try them each out first. Good luck, keep us posted on your choice.

lookiel · #14 05-01-2011, 05:08 PM

Just to be clear, the AE212 has been out for less than a year.

ErnieD · #15 05-02-2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by lookiel

Just to be clear, the AE212 has been out for less than a year.

I started thinking of my reply here and thinking back. I tried a few cabs at that store that day, Aggies, Epi's, AccuG's, Bergs, etc. I did go back and by the NV610/NV215 cabs later, that's another story.

So I recall now, it was the AE410 I tried back then, sorry for the mistaken I.D.

And it was too aggressive for my tone.