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Old 12-22-2010, 11:18 AM
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Berg AE410 vs. Genz Benz Uber 410

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This question is primarily for people who have heard the Uber 410. I am familiar with the tonal profile of the AE410.
However I am not very familiar with the Uber 410, but I have read good things.
Anyone care to chime in on what the Uber does better/differently etc. than the AE410?

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Old 12-22-2010, 12:14 PM
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I seem to remember some time back Tom Bowlus had a nice writeup in this forum comparing them.
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Old 12-22-2010, 12:26 PM
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I seem to remember some time back Tom Bowlus had a nice writeup in this forum comparing them.
I remember that. Maybe Tom can post a link to that if he sees this thread.
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Old 12-22-2010, 12:34 PM
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Guess I should of done a search first . I'll give that a shot.
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Old 12-22-2010, 01:12 PM
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I found Tom's review:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/bergantino-ae410-vs-genz-benz-uber-410-a-559372-post7654934/

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Okay, here are some preliminary thoughts. This is not a dissertation, and these remarks are based upon one bass (that I know well), one amp (that I know well), in a room that I know well. But, on the gig, things may play out differently...

Still, FWIW, here you go!

Uber 410 vs AE410 vs UL2-410

Uber 410: The Uber seemed to be very warm and full, with effortless low end (though the lows might not have been quite as deep - or at least not comprised of as much "deep" content - as the other two). It was not as precise as the Berg through the mids, but was nevertheless quite articulate. Compared to the UL2-410, the Epi was more smooth and fat in the mids, and the Uber was a bit more dry and a bit more articulate through the mids and more focused and controlled down low (again, relative to the Epi). In general, the Genz-Benz seemed to be characterized by a very strong, slightly warm midrange. When you thump down low, those mids still come through loud and clear, which helps keep things punchy. It was the most resonant of the group, and the notes would ring out more than with the other two. The highs were not quite as bright and clear as the other two.

AE410: The Berg was very tight, clean, and focused. The middle to upper mids were more aggressive than those of the Genz-Benz (which was, in turn, more aggressive than the Epi). There was a region of the low-mids where the other two cabs had a bit more going on, though. The useable lows extend fairly deep, and seemed to stay punchy up to the limits of its low-end extension (but then drop off sharply). The low end felt like it had a lot of punch, but this might have been due to some help from the low-mids. The high end was fairly similar to the Epi's - which is to say, beautiful! - with a bit more upper midrange mixed in (relative to the Epi). This cab had the most aggressive upper mids of the group.

UL2-410: The UL2-410 was the most smooth sounding of the group, and it also had a lot going on down low (arguably the most of the group). It was not as articulate through the mids as the other two cabs, and seemed a bit more laid back. The Berg cut more and was more precise through the mids, where the Epi was more smooth and round. (I guess I keep saying the same thing, but this is how my notes read). The Epi was much more clear and "pretty" on the high end, relative to the Uber. As I mentioned, the highs on the Berg were fairly similar. "Big, deep and smooth, with a floating, shimmering, beautiful top end."

I hope that helps some. I have no doubt that other's opinions will vary, and I also do not doubt that with a different head or a different bass, the results might turn out notably different. I hope to use all three in practice next week, and I'll report back if I do.

And of course, this is IME/IMHO only, and YMMV.

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Where does the Golight 410 fit in this group?

Excellent. Thanks vision. I too am familiar with the tonal profile of the AE410, have owned the Epi UL-410, and have not had the pleasure yet of trying out the Uber 410. Texas Music Emporium in Houston sold three Uber 410's this last week and is out but should get more in the next couple weeks. I've heard their sound is extremely solid with a nice growl and punch to it. KsPiNeSh has a link posted in another thread to an excellent recording of his Uber 410 with his band; very impressive with a hard hitting rock sound. It really gives you a good feel of what that cab is capable of. I'm definitely going to check out one of these brutes but because of the 72 lb weight I'd like to also know where the SWR Golight 410 fits in this group.

I've seen it written that the Golight 410 has a tight contolled low end like the AE410 but bigger and that the crossover and tweeter are smoother and improved from the Goliath III, also that the mids aren't really scooped but depend a lot on the amp and bass being used. Bergantino and Genz Benz both have top notch construction and voicing, and priced accordingly. If the lows are tight but full and the highs are detailed and smooth then the magic is in the mid voicing.

I like the AE410 voicing but wish it was a tad bigger in the lows. My testing was with a Shuttle Max 12.0 when A/B'd with an Uber 212T. Perhaps my impression would have been a little different with a Shuttle 9.0. I don't doubt that the Uber 410T will blow me away but I'd rather move a 56 or 62 lb cabinet up and down 15 steps than a 72 lb one (a consideration for the 55+ crowd). The AE410 and Uber 410T look like best in class 410 choices depending on the voice you're looking for. I'm wondering if the SWR Golight 410 sound falls somewhere between these two and can it hang with these bad boys? If so, then the $899 price tag and 56 lb weight might make it worth a test drive as well.

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