Bergantino 112 Comparison

[fishstix]

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I'm in the market for a new 112 cab (actually a 2x112 stack). A few years back I thought it would be a clear choice with the HT112/EX112 stack. Then, the ER series came out followed by the AE series. However, I also thought that maybe an IP cab would be the way to go but that was before I got my LMII (if I'd still be blown away by what the IP series has to offer with a good pre, I am still open to it).

Thus, I'm asking for some input from those with experience with these various cabs. Each seems to have their benefits and draw backs. However, if you had to choose one stack of 112's what route would you go. I'm using a wide array of basses including passive Fender Jazz 4 and 5's, MM Sterling 5, and a Modulus Q6. While I have a couple of heads, my LMII gets almost all the action. Also, I'm currently playing in a trio covering dance/rock/pop covers from the 70's to current. My current main gig cab is a Schroeder 1212L which kills but I'm wanting a smoother deeper response while still maintaining the same presence in the mix.

Although there is a lot of love for the new AE 212, it's not in my consideration due to how I have to load my car for gigs.

I'm sorry if this has been done but I did not come across a recent comparison using the search feature. If it is out there, please just direct me to the right place.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts and time. There is not a convenient local place to try these cabs in person.

[Virgil]

I have the er's and the only stack that is competition to it is the Epi 112 stack.

[Fuzzbass]

I've owned most of the non-AE Bergantino cabinets. I'm a rock guy and settled on the NV610, and also love my pair of HS210 cabs. I briefly owned some Epifani Ultralights (S1) but they were not my thing, tone-wise.

Earlier this year I decided I should have a smaller and lighter rig. I considered the AE twelves, but went with a pair of HT112ER because so many users here said it was flatter. In short, I agree: the HT112ER is the most transparent cab I've owned.

I considered the IP series, which might even be flatter due to the DSP, but I like the bass amps I have just fine.

[KJung]

The IP's have been discontinued as far as I know, FYI.

Lots of posts on the ER versus AE. With the LMII, it would be the AE's all the way for me. The AE's are higher SPL (they really cruise right along with the 500 watts the LMII puts out versus the lower SPL ER's), and the brighter upper mids and tigher low end of the AE cabs yin yangs very nicely with the fat low end and polite upper mids of the LMII/III.

When you then consider the weight (over 10 pounds lighter per cab), it becomes even a simpler decision.

The ER's sounds great... fatter down low and much more airy/hi fi up top, but take a bit of power to really get going, and the voicing again is not optimal for me anyway with the LMII (unless you dig it VERY smooth, a little scooped, and very 'airy' up top... a bit similar to the EpiUL's with the LMII). Surely doesn't sound bad by any means.

I know you aren't interested in the AE212, but for other readers, that cab to my ear sits right between the ER stack and the AE112 stack... bigger down low and smoother up top than the 2 x AE112, but a bit tighter, punchier and 'brighter' in the upper mids than the ER stack.... literally a 'perfect' cab to my ear.

IMO there. Remember that the AE cabs have a beautiful but fragile spray on finish... so factor in padded covers to the price... they are not optional IMO.

[smperry]

Originally Posted by fishstix

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Moved...no problem.

[tombowlus]

Your comment: "I'm wanting a smoother deeper response while still maintaining the same presence in the mix" just screams HT112ER (x2)!

[KJung]

Originally Posted by tombowlus

Your comment: "I'm wanting a smoother deeper response while still maintaining the same presence in the mix" just screams HT112ER (x2)!

However, compared to the Schroe BMF212 (which I like), virtually anything would be smoother and deeper... that is an extremely tight, upper mid present beast.

Hence, with the LMII, the ER's 'might' be too much of a good thing in that direction, given his reference point.

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by KJung

However, compared to the Schroe BMF212 (which I like), virtually anything would be smoother and deeper... that is an extremely tight, upper mid present beast.

Hence, with the LMII, the ER's 'might' be too much of a good thing in that direction, given his reference point.

Perhaps. The AE's are impressively deep compared to anything other than the ER's, though the smoothness factor definitely favors the ER's (relative to the AE's).

[Whitbass]

On one hand I prefer the voicing, focus and evenness of the AE112. On the other, the ERs really pound in the authority realm, for a 1x12.
They respond differently...even more so out a ways......That's where the ERs shine more, especially in a bigger setting...
And this also makes more of a difference if you have PA support or not.....IMHO......

when I A/B'd the 1x12's AE vs ER, it was a fairly tough choice for me......fun but not easy......as I had to choose between the edge on tone/focus and authority.........
not that both don't have both, but each one has its stronger features over the other...........and of course depending what one's preferences are......

these are both very, very nice cabs..........just depends on your needs and preference.........

for me, when I get a chance to hear the AE212, there will be trouble again.......... might replace my 2x ERs......
I do really like my AE410 too...but that's a different matter of discussion.....

Good Luck to ya

.....now if you people would just stop talking about this stuff, I could live in peace.....

[kaybass1952]

[quote=KJung;9784995]
I know you aren't interested in the AE212, but for other readers, that cab to my ear sits right between the ER stack and the AE112 stack... bigger down low and smoother up top than the 2 x AE112, but a bit tighter, punchier and 'brighter' in the upper mids than the ER stack.... literally a 'perfect' cab to my ear.


I was leaning towards 2x AE112 but this makes me seriously
consider the AE212 . Lighter and cheaper to boot.
I have WW (Greenlight 450 watt into 4 ohms.)
I would like the AE 's 212 103db spl as my current bag end 15 and eden 210t are 103db and this maximizes the WW's output.
I like a vintage tone but I'm hoping that the fatdrive pre amp and old fender bass with this amp and cab combo would give warm enough tone with a bit of hifi cut .

BTW- can anyone tell how to do the proper highlighted Quote thingy -this was as close as I could get

[fishstix]

Thank you for the feedback. I think I got exactly what I was looking for in descriptions. I'm still not sure which way I'll go as I just picked up a Sadowsky MV-PJ5 that has changed what I'm looking for tonally a bit. I really wish I had a convenient way to sit down and try these cabs with my various basses. However, I really appreciate the feedback you all have given me.

[gafbass02]

Does anyone have a pic of the ae112 stacked with an ae210? I quite fancy one, but I wondered how it stacks? My barefaced midget T is about an inch too big on it's side so I've gone for upright

[Alistair R]

Just upgraded from the Series 1 HT/EX stack to the HT/EX112ER stack. It's such a great sounding stack. As Tom B mentioned, I think your comment sounds like the Bergies would be perfect for you. I play a few different basses as well through them and they all sound fantastic. LMIIs a good match for them too!

[Fajah]

Originally Posted by gafbass02

Does anyone have a pic of the ae112 stacked with an ae210?

I once owned an HS210. Here's what it looked like stacked on top of my AE112.



If memory serves me correctly, The AE112 was a bit deeper so it served as a good base for the 210. I made a rubber pad which was sandwiched in between the cabs so that the AE112's handle was flush.

[gafbass02]

Nice one, cheers dude